Hammerlock3 Posted October 15 Posted October 15 2 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Perhaps. But not "hot seat." well, the reason Rash's post was such vapid trash is that we'd have to be in contact with the admins to know whose on the hot seat. Some of these programs that don't seem to care do have hot seats, some coaches are in contract situations where the hot seat has to wait. I'm not sure how we're supposed to know besides pointing out programs we think are underperforming. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
MPhillips Posted October 15 Posted October 15 1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said: I'm not sure how we're supposed to know besides pointing out programs we think are underperforming. Isn't that what we're doing? 1 .
Hammerlock3 Posted October 15 Posted October 15 1 minute ago, MPhillips said: Isn't that what we're doing? ok, well when you got nuanced about "hot seat", I thought you were pushing in a different direction. But, I'd say ASU shouldn't be out of trophy contention for long. Though maybe thats different now, i think they lost their money guy, so historical comparisons might not be in order. 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
MPhillips Posted October 15 Posted October 15 7 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: But, I'd say ASU shouldn't be out of trophy contention for long. Agreed. Look at that! .
Hammerlock3 Posted October 15 Posted October 15 33 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Agreed. Look at that! But wouldn't that put him on the hot seat? "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
MPhillips Posted October 15 Posted October 15 1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said: But wouldn't that put him on the hot seat? 34 minutes ago, MPhillips said: ASU shouldn't be out of trophy contention for long. At this juncture I'm just going agree and move on. .
Wildcat92 Posted October 15 Posted October 15 Escobedo at IU should be but he won't be. 2 AA's during his 9 seasons, a 6th in '25 and and 8th in '26. He has failed to land the elite, or near elite, in-state talent and what he does get hasn't developed. Case in point, Gabe Sollars. Sollars and Stephen Little traded matches in HS, sollars teched him in freestyle after their senior seasons. Does anybody really thing Sollars would keep it to a regular decision now? Very unlikely. Purdue is getting the talent that doesn't leave the state. Should be concerning for IU, but it won't be. At least Goldman could produce a couple of national champs and frequently had AA's. 1
BloodRound Posted October 15 Posted October 15 8 minutes ago, Wildcat92 said: Does anybody really thing Sollars would keep it to a regular decision now? Very unlikely. If my memory serves me right, wasn't Sollars having a decent end of the year? I remember he pinned Remy Cotton at B10's and dropped a close one to Gabe Arnold in R16 come NCAA's. 1
HoosierWrestlingFan Posted October 15 Posted October 15 Quote I slightly disagree in terms of development. Considering how poor of condition the program was in when he got there, it was always going to take him time to raise the floor. I’d say he has effectively done that. fully agree, that the inability to keep Indiana's best at home is a big problem. I’m not saying they should be a trophy team but regularly having multiple all Americans and a guy with a chance to win a title shouldn’t be asking too much.
WrestlingRash Posted October 15 Posted October 15 5 hours ago, Jim L said: I believe Oklahoma and Oregon fired their coaches for lack of results. I would also add Lehigh to the list of place were a coach could b e on the hot seat. Oregon doesn't have a program, so do you mean Oregon State? They have had a grand total of 4 coaches since 1957. Lehigh let Santoro be mediocre for 18 years. Not sure they really care that much. Oklahoma did get rid of the last 2 coaches because of results, so I agree they belong on the list.
WrestlingRash Posted October 15 Posted October 15 2 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: well, the reason Rash's post was such vapid trash is that we'd have to be in contact with the admins to know whose on the hot seat. Some of these programs that don't seem to care do have hot seats, some coaches are in contract situations where the hot seat has to wait. I'm not sure how we're supposed to know besides pointing out programs we think are underperforming. what are you going on about?
Hammerlock3 Posted October 15 Posted October 15 41 minutes ago, Wildcat92 said: Escobedo at IU should be but he won't be. 2 AA's during his 9 seasons, a 6th in '25 and and 8th in '26. He has failed to land the elite, or near elite, in-state talent and what he does get hasn't developed. Case in point, Gabe Sollars. Sollars and Stephen Little traded matches in HS, sollars teched him in freestyle after their senior seasons. Does anybody really thing Sollars would keep it to a regular decision now? Very unlikely. Purdue is getting the talent that doesn't leave the state. Should be concerning for IU, but it won't be. At least Goldman could produce a couple of national champs and frequently had AA's. I got word 2nd hand from member of the IU staff that Goldman was so bad he operated on a third of of the budget of next least funded big ten school. He never asked for anything and the administration just thought wrestling was supposed to be that cheap....yeah the admins there didn't care at all. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
Jim L Posted October 16 Posted October 16 20 hours ago, WrestlingRash said: Oregon doesn't have a program, so do you mean Oregon State? They have had a grand total of 4 coaches since 1957. Lehigh let Santoro be mediocre for 18 years. Not sure they really care that much. Oklahoma did get rid of the last 2 coaches because of results, so I agree they belong on the list. Sorry you are right, Oregon State. I think the only reason they got rid of Zalesky was poor results. He was a big name with NCAAs team championships as coach on his resume, and as far as I know OSU did not have any academic or legal issues with the team, so it is unusual for a wrestling coach to be let go under these circumstance. The bar is fairly low, but Oregon State seem to care more about wrestling than most other schools. I disagree with calling Santoro mediocre, though. His bio shows 22 wrestlers wing 39 AA honors plus two national champs. Besides Cornell, I think they are the best non-public wrestling program and Santoro has kept them there.
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 16 Posted October 16 1 hour ago, Jim L said: Sorry you are right, Oregon State. I think the only reason they got rid of Zalesky was poor results. He was a big name with NCAAs team championships as coach on his resume, and as far as I know OSU did not have any academic or legal issues with the team, so it is unusual for a wrestling coach to be let go under these circumstance. The bar is fairly low, but Oregon State seem to care more about wrestling than most other schools. Am I wrong , or did an assistant coach drill a recruit in the face while playing a game involving tossing a frisbee? 1
Powershouse Posted October 16 Posted October 16 On 10/15/2026 at 9:34 AM, Hammerlock3 said: I think Jones does a poor job. He was really good tuning violins at the senior level, he's better at it than Cael and CO, but that is not what makes a good college coach at all. He's not really equipped to coach folk at all from what I can tell. Fortunately the ASU squad also has Molinaro in their corner to help choose what position to select. 1
MPhillips Posted October 16 Posted October 16 Just now, Powershouse said: Fortunately the ASU squad also has Molinaro in their corner to help choose what position to select. .
Hammerlock3 Posted October 16 Posted October 16 7 minutes ago, Powershouse said: Fortunately the ASU squad also has Molinaro in their corner to help choose what position to select. its crazy how one brain fart can define a career. NCAA champ, olympian....dumbass.... 2 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
ionel Posted October 16 Posted October 16 7 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: its crazy how one brain fart can define a career. NCAA champ, olympian....dumbass.... Kevin Jackson would like a word ... 1 1 .
MPhillips Posted October 16 Posted October 16 2 minutes ago, ionel said: Kevin Jackson would like a word ... .
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 16 Posted October 16 2 minutes ago, ionel said: Kevin Jackson would like a word ... All time USA great, but capable of dumbassery! Two World golds and an Olympic gold doesn't insulate him from some of the stuff he has done. And I have done camps with him and hung out with him and liked him in those capacities. Do people even remember he has three titles? 1
MPhillips Posted October 16 Posted October 16 7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Do people even remember he has three titles? Depends on the people I suppose. 1 .
Hammerlock3 Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ionel said: Kevin Jackson would like a word ... hum....i like molinaro though....should have saved my mean words. No first party experience but I've never heard a good word about jackson. Edited October 16 by Hammerlock3 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
Wildcat92 Posted October 16 Posted October 16 2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said: Am I wrong , or did an assistant coach drill a recruit in the face while playing a game involving tossing a frisbee? Nick Simmons, right?
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted October 16 Posted October 16 12 minutes ago, Wildcat92 said: Nick Simmons, right? As I remember it
The Kid Posted October 16 Posted October 16 On 10/15/2026 at 7:57 AM, Jim L said: I believe Oklahoma and Oregon fired their coaches for lack of results. I would also add Lehigh to the list of place were a coach could b e on the hot seat. Brad Dillion is his first year as he's coach at Lehigh.
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