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Yes; that's what it is folks. Pretty much all bribery money going to his personal bank accounts. Rich people paying them off so the little guys like you get screwed. 

But let's deflect from this and the still missing Epstein files and keep talking about "10% for the big guy" and how the 2020 election was  "rigged" with basically zero evidence of that whatsoever. 

The wingers are sick pieces of garbage.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, red viking said:

Yes; that's what it is folks. Pretty much all bribery money going to his personal bank accounts. Rich people paying them off so the little guys like you get screwed. 

But let's deflect from this and the still missing Epstein files and keep talking about "10% for the big guy" and how the 2020 election was  "rigged" with basically zero evidence of that whatsoever. 

The wingers are sick pieces of garbage.  

Don’t forget the insider stock trading 

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How is this possible,  thought his net worth was a lie, where did he get the money to invest in crypto?  

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Posted
7 minutes ago, ionel said:

How is this possible,  thought his net worth was a lie, where did he get the money to invest in crypto?  

Another 110% strawman. Nobody said he didn't have any money to invest. 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Don’t forget the insider stock trading 

Yes; that's another problem for another thread. You corrupt pieces of filth support all his corruption and scams. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, red viking said:

Another 110% strawman. Nobody said he didn't have any money to invest. 

... but I thought he had gone bankrupt.  

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Posted
23 minutes ago, ionel said:

... but I thought he had gone bankrupt.  

People with a crap load of money can go bankrupt and still retain most of their assets. Maybe you don't know how bankruptcy works. It's a great way for rich people to create companies that go into debt and then get off the hook when they don't go well because their personal assets are separated from those of their company. 

Trump has played this game many many times. 

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Posted
53 minutes ago, red viking said:

 Maybe you don't know how bankruptcy works.

I'm new to this here world ... just waiting for a good Norwegian to set me straight.  

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Posted
15 hours ago, ionel said:

How is this possible,  thought his net worth was a lie, where did he get the money to invest in crypto?  

He didn't "invest" in crypto. Crypto is a tool for moving money between parties without conventional bank involvement. (And, more specifically, for skirting all of the laws that govern conventional bank actions that protect citizens from being 'hosed' by bad guys.) Simply put, crypto is useful only for criminals who are trying to hide what they are doing by using the anonymity that crypto can provide.

Trump was once a very vocal critic of crypto (for the same reasons I provide here) ... until someone clued him in that it was an anonymous way for folks to give him piles of money. Then he changed his mind.

Trump's profit from crypto is from people, groups, and countries giving him money in order to obtain access, information, and favor in the current WH administration.

How much? What has been documented is Trump receiving over $2 Billion in the last year. But crypto is sneaky that way, the search isn't over. It is likely there is more. Maybe much more.

If it sounds like Trump is selling out our country in order to make a big profit, it's because it is exactly that.

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6 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

Simply put, crypto is useful only for criminals who are trying to hide what they are doing by using the anonymity that crypto can provide.

Outlaw crypto if it is only used for nefarious activities.

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7 hours ago, GreatWhiteNorth said:

He didn't "invest" in crypto. Crypto is a tool for moving money between parties without conventional bank involvement. (And, more specifically, for skirting all of the laws that govern conventional bank actions that protect citizens from being 'hosed' by bad guys.) Simply put, crypto is useful only for criminals who are trying to hide what they are doing by using the anonymity that crypto can provide.

Trump was once a very vocal critic of crypto (for the same reasons I provide here) ... until someone clued him in that it was an anonymous way for folks to give him piles of money. Then he changed his mind.

Trump's profit from crypto is from people, groups, and countries giving him money in order to obtain access, information, and favor in the current WH administration.

How much? What has been documented is Trump receiving over $2 Billion in the last year. But crypto is sneaky that way, the search isn't over. It is likely there is more. Maybe much more.

If it sounds like Trump is selling out our country in order to make a big profit, it's because it is exactly that.

But its technically legal, unlike jaywalking, so its perfectly fine that hes doing it. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, wrestlingguy said:

 

Outlaw crypto if it is only used for nefarious activities.

Crypto can serve a purpose. The two best use cases as I understand it are if you happen to be wealthy in a country with a volatile currency, it would make sense to hold your wealth in crypto that's pegged to the USD. It can also be much easier to send money across borders, which can be nefarious, but also has many valid uses.

In the US it seems like it's useful to buy drugs and other illegal items and to gamble, but not much else.

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20 minutes ago, fishbane said:

 

 

But this isn’t fraud.  It may be immoral but it isn’t fraud.   If you think it is fraud point it out 

Posted
7 minutes ago, Caveira said:

But this isn’t fraud.  It may be immoral but it isn’t fraud.   If you think it is fraud point it out 

It certainly would fall under the DOGE mandate to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse.  I think it fits most cleanly under the last one abuse, but it is also a fraud.  It all depends on the viewpoint.  If an elected official is taking bribes and putting the interest of those paying the bribes over his constituents and the country than that is a fraud on the voters and the country.

Posted
1 minute ago, fishbane said:

It certainly would fall under the DOGE mandate to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse.  I think it fits most cleanly under the last one abuse, but it is also a fraud.  It all depends on the viewpoint.  If an elected official is taking bribes and putting the interest of those paying the bribes over his constituents and the country than that is a fraud on the voters and the country.

He’s taking bribes ?   You have that on audio or an email or something.    Where is your evidence of this 

Posted
17 minutes ago, Caveira said:

But this isn’t fraud.  It may be immoral but it isn’t fraud.   If you think it is fraud point it out 

This is far worse than most fraud. Pedo Prez of USA is for sale. 

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Posted
35 minutes ago, red viking said:

This is far worse than most fraud. Pedo Prez of USA is for sale. 

You haven’t demonstrated that it’s fraud.  You even admitted it’s legal.  

Posted
52 minutes ago, Caveira said:

He’s taking bribes ?   You have that on audio or an email or something.    Where is your evidence of this 

He isn't supposed to accept any gifts without congressional consent.  This is to prevent corruption.  A quid pro quo is difficult to prove.  Those engaged in such things typically are careful to stop short of spelling it out.  Rules exist to prevent corruption and preserve the integrity of the institution.  If it looks bad it is bad.

Would you be okay with a democrat selling a meme coin either just before taking office or whilst in office and profiting billions?  Aren't you the one that said all politicians are trash?  Why give benefit of the doubt here?  At best it is wrong because it only creates the appearance of a conflict of interest/bribe and at worst is bribery/fraud/abuse.

Posted
5 minutes ago, fishbane said:

He isn't supposed to accept any gifts without congressional consent.  This is to prevent corruption.  A quid pro quo is difficult to prove.  Those engaged in such things typically are careful to stop short of spelling it out.  Rules exist to prevent corruption and preserve the integrity of the institution.  If it looks bad it is bad.

Would you be okay with a democrat selling a meme coin either just before taking office or whilst in office and profiting billions?  Aren't you the one that said all politicians are trash?  Why give benefit of the doubt here?  At best it is wrong because it only creates the appearance of a conflict of interest/bribe and at worst is bribery/fraud/abuse.

Would I?

every single U.S. president since George Washington has accepted gifts. 

Gift-giving is an unavoidable aspect of international diplomacy. Refusing a token from a foreign head of state is often viewed as a major diplomatic insult. Furthermore, ordinary citizens and corporations have flooded the White House with millions of unsolicited items over the centuries.

The last four Democratic presidents accepted thousands of diplomatic and personal gifts during their terms. Per the Foreign Gifts Act, expensive tokens given by world leaders legally belong to the public and were transferred to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA). Personal items given by domestic supporters could legally be kept but had to be reported on mandatory financial disclosure filings. 

1. Joe Biden (2021–2025)

Foreign Gifts (Stored at Archives): According to his final State Department disclosures, Biden accepted a $19,000 acrylic painting titled "Marimba" from the President of Angola, a $7,750 sterling silver train set from Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, and a road bike from the UAE president. 

Domestic/Personal (Kept or Consumed): He accepted and disclosed a commemorative personalized jar of Nutella, wine, and a cookbook from Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni (the food items were handled/disposed of by security per standard protocol). 

2. Barack Obama (2009–2017)

Foreign Gifts (Stored at Archives): The Obama administration recorded millions in diplomatic tokens. These included a $20,000 silk embroidery portrait of the Obama family from Chinese President Hu Jintao, an $8,000 bronze statue from Israeli President Shimon Peres, and a $4,500 Christian Dior handbag given to First Lady Michelle Obama by French President Nicolas Sarkozy. 

Domestic/Personal (Kept): Obama's domestic catalog includes 3,394 recorded personal items from U.S. citizens, ranging from customized sporting goods (such as basketball gear from Nike and Adidas) to handmade quilts and books. 

3. Bill Clinton (1993–2001)

Foreign Gifts (Stored at Archives): Clinton was given an array of symbolic diplomatic artifacts, including an 18-karat gold saxophone pin valued at $4,200 and an intricate decorative portrait rug from the government of Azerbaijan. 

Domestic/Personal (Kept): Clinton faced significant post-presidency scrutiny for the volume of personal gifts he took home. His disclosures showed he retained $190,027 worth of personal gifts upon leaving office, including two Lenox crystal bowls (valued over $25,000 each), a customized golf cart, and thousands of dollars in designer suits and coats gifted by friends and corporate executives. (A subsequent dispute forced the Clintons to return $28,000 in furniture that donors later clarified was meant for the White House rather than the family personally). 

4. Jimmy Carter (1977–1981)

Foreign Gifts (Stored at Archives): Carter accepted traditional high-end geopolitical treasures, including a stunning, jewel-encrusted ceremonial dagger from the Saudi Royal Family and an antique Persian rug from the Shah of Iran.

Domestic/Personal (Kept): Famous for his modest style, Carter turned down most lavish personal gifts. However, as an avid woodworker, he accepted and kept several handcrafted wooden carvings, high-end carpentry tools, and signature peanut-themed folk art sent to him by thousands of rural American admirers.

Posted
1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Would I?

every single U.S. president since George Washington has accepted gifts. ...

Ask your AI to compare the cumulative value of all gifts the previous presidents received and compare it to the $1.4B in Cypto profits Trump has made over the past year and a half.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Ask your AI to compare the cumulative value of all gifts the previous presidents received and compare it to the $1.4B in Cypto profits Trump has made over the past year and a half.

Tis all legal boss.   Possibly immoral but still legal.    
 

you know.  All politicians and politics are trash.  

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Just now, Caveira said:

Tis all legal boss.   Possibly immoral but still legal.    
 

you know.  All politicians and politics are trash.  

Should we be unconcerned with Nancy Pelosi's stock market gains?  Neary all politicians invest in the stock market one way or another.  And besides her husband is the stock trader not her just like Trump's sons are running his crypto ventures.  All legal and completely above board, no?

You shouldn't vote for someone that abuses their position in this way.  Its a fraud on the public.

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18 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Should we be unconcerned with Nancy Pelosi's stock market gains?  Neary all politicians invest in the stock market one way or another.  And besides her husband is the stock trader not her just like Trump's sons are running his crypto ventures.  All legal and completely above board, no?

You shouldn't vote for someone that abuses their position in this way.  Its a fraud on the public.

I voted for Trump 3 less times than 103.5….. so zero times 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I voted for Trump 3 less times than 103.5

And never called into question Nancy Pelosi's trading because "Tis all legal boss?"

Both are an example of taking something too far.  Every politician in their position might do it a little - a de minimis amount in the grand scheme, but these two max it out and force action.  Pelosi made hundreds of millions and Trump billions.

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