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[DazeofGrace]

12 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Why should a kid who can’t read spell or go to class take a spot from a smart kid?

They should be  student athletes first.  Not just meat sticks 

You didn’t make an argument, you replaced one with a cartoon version of reality because it’s easier to attack. No one is admitting students who ‘can’t read or spell.’ That’s something you invented, and it collapses immediately under even minimal scrutiny. Admissions has never operated as a single-axis ranking of ‘smartest applicants.’ Universities deliberately construct classes across multiple forms of merit; academic, athletic, artistic, and institutional priorities. Athletes aren’t ‘taking’ spots from stronger students; they’re being evaluated under criteria the institution explicitly values. So the actual question is whether you agree with how merit is defined. Instead of addressing that, you substituted a fictional extreme to avoid the real discussion. When an argument only works after you distort reality and is so extreme, it’s not an argument, it’s an admission that you don’t have one.

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, DazeofGrace said:

You didn’t make an argument, you replaced one with a cartoon version of reality because it’s easier to attack. No one is admitting students who ‘can’t read or spell.’ That’s something you invented, and it collapses immediately under even minimal scrutiny. Admissions has never operated as a single-axis ranking of ‘smartest applicants.’ Universities deliberately construct classes across multiple forms of merit; academic, athletic, artistic, and institutional priorities. Athletes aren’t ‘taking’ spots from stronger students; they’re being evaluated under criteria the institution explicitly values. So the actual question is whether you agree with how merit is defined. Instead of addressing that, you substituted a fictional extreme to avoid the real discussion. When an argument only works after you distort reality and is so extreme, it’s not an argument, it’s an admission that you don’t have one.

Bball ncaa championship is over.  Say hi to tpt for me boss 

[Fletcher]

16 minutes ago, DazeofGrace said:

I guess you didn’t know that this isn’t the only forum that exists. That is adorable. I’m trying to white glove this so as not to shock you out of your seat, it isn’t. In fact, sit down before you read this part, there are millions of them. AND….those have hundreds of millions of threads. 

 

[DazeofGrace]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Bball ncaa championship is over.  Say hi to tpt for me boss 

You went from making a claim, to getting it dismantled, to changing the subject entirely. That’s not a rebuttal, that’s an exit.

[DazeofGrace]

Just now, Fletcher said:

 

Guess that means I was born yesterday. Even funnier if that was the case. The new guy just came in and you got checked . Take the L son. 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, DazeofGrace said:

You went from making a claim, to getting it dismantled, to changing the subject entirely. That’s not a rebuttal, that’s an exit.

Cool cool good night it’s late … good night tpt

Edited April 7 by Caveira

[DazeofGrace]

2 minutes ago, Fletcher said:

 

Also, not for nothing, but is this what you’ve been reduced to? Pointing out when I was added to this board. I mean I’ve seen weakness before, but wow….bless your heart. 

[alex1fly]

 

10 hours ago, DazeofGrace said:

Also, not for nothing, but is this what you’ve been reduced to? Pointing out when I was added to this board. I mean I’ve seen weakness before, but wow….bless your heart. 

Welcome to the forum. I for one appreciate actual knowledge about the topics being discussed so thanks for contributing lol

[Idaho]

11 hours ago, DazeofGrace said:

I guess you didn’t know that this isn’t the only forum that exists. That is adorable. I’m trying to white glove this so as not to shock you out of your seat, it isn’t. In fact, sit down before you read this part, there are millions of them. AND….those have hundreds of millions of threads. 

Millions of college wrestling message boards. Who knew? 

[ionel]

11 hours ago, DazeofGrace said:

Also, not for nothing ...

I'm surenottrue but worried @mr.nonothingatall has a new burner.  

[DazeofGrace]

2 hours ago, alex1fly said:

 

Welcome to the forum. I for one appreciate actual knowledge about the topics being discussed so thanks for contributing lol

Hey thank you. Really appreciate that. 

[Caveira]

15 hours ago, DazeofGrace said:

You didn’t make an argument, you replaced one with a cartoon version of reality because it’s easier to attack. No one is admitting students who ‘can’t read or spell.’ That’s something you invented, and it collapses immediately under even minimal scrutiny. Admissions has never operated as a single-axis ranking of ‘smartest applicants.’ Universities deliberately construct classes across multiple forms of merit; academic, athletic, artistic, and institutional priorities. Athletes aren’t ‘taking’ spots from stronger students; they’re being evaluated under criteria the institution explicitly values. So the actual question is whether you agree with how merit is defined. Instead of addressing that, you substituted a fictional extreme to avoid the real discussion. When an argument only works after you distort reality and is so extreme, it’s not an argument, it’s an admission that you don’t have one.

This was invented?     Players who are not academically fit should not be taking spots from kids who are academically fit.   I stand by my statement. 
 

A 2014 CNN investigation

revealed that some college athletes in revenue-generating sports (football/basketball) read at a 3rd to 5th-grade level, with about 7–18% of players in these sports at some Division 1 universities scoring in that range. These players often have undiagnosed learning disabilities or were passed through school systems without acquiring basic literacy. 

 

 

Notable Examples and Findings:

• Dexter Manley: The former Oklahoma State and NFL player famously revealed he was functionally illiterate until learning to read in his late 20s.
• Dean Tolson: A former Seattle Supersonic player, Tolson reached the University of Arkansas despite being unable to read or write, a case detailed in his memoir Power Forward, as profiled by the Washington Commanders and NBA.com.
• UNC Investigation: Mary Willingham, an academic counselor at the University of North Carolina, found that between 2004 and 2012, roughly 8% of analyzed football and basketball players read below a 4th-grade level, according to CNN.
• Systemic Issue: A New York Post report suggests this issue persists, with some athletes struggling to meet the reading requirements for college-level coursework. 

 

These cases often point to a failing in the system where athletic talent is prioritized over educational attainment, leaving athletes with poor foundational skills. 

Edited April 7 by Caveira

[DazeofGrace]

23 minutes ago, Caveira said:

This was invented?     Players who are not academically fit should not be taking spots from kids who are academically fit.   I stand by my statement. 
 

A 2014 CNN investigation

revealed that some college athletes in revenue-generating sports (football/basketball) read at a 3rd to 5th-grade level, with about 7–18% of players in these sports at some Division 1 universities scoring in that range. These players often have undiagnosed learning disabilities or were passed through school systems without acquiring basic literacy. 

 

 

Notable Examples and Findings:

• Dexter Manley: The former Oklahoma State and NFL player famously revealed he was functionally illiterate until learning to read in his late 20s.
• Dean Tolson: A former Seattle Supersonic player, Tolson reached the University of Arkansas despite being unable to read or write, a case detailed in his memoir Power Forward, as profiled by the Washington Commanders and NBA.com.
• UNC Investigation: Mary Willingham, an academic counselor at the University of North Carolina, found that between 2004 and 2012, roughly 8% of analyzed football and basketball players read below a 4th-grade level, according to CNN.
• Systemic Issue: A New York Post report suggests this issue persists, with some athletes struggling to meet the reading requirements for college-level coursework. 

 

These cases often point to a failing in the system where athletic talent is prioritized over educational attainment, leaving athletes with poor foundational skills. 

You’re still arguing past the actual point. That report doesn’t show unqualified students are being admitted instead of ‘more deserving’ ones, it shows that some athletes struggle academically after admission. Those are completely different claims.Admissions decisions are made using minimum academic thresholds plus additional criteria (like athletics). Once admitted, whether a student succeeds academically is a separate issue entirely, and one that affects non-athletes too. So citing post-admission academic struggles doesn’t prove athletes are ‘taking spots’ from more qualified students, it just shows some admitted students need support. That’s a retention and development issue, not an admissions one. Unless you’re now implying that these universities know about an individuals reading level prior to admission. You’re treating outcomes as if they were selection criteria, and they’re not the same thing. 

 

 

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, DazeofGrace said:

You’re still arguing past the actual point. That report doesn’t show unqualified students are being admitted instead of ‘more deserving’ ones, it shows that some athletes struggle academically after admission. Those are completely different claims.Admissions decisions are made using minimum academic thresholds plus additional criteria (like athletics). Once admitted, whether a student succeeds academically is a separate issue entirely, and one that affects non-athletes too. So citing post-admission academic struggles doesn’t prove athletes are ‘taking spots’ from more qualified students, it just shows some admitted students need support. That’s a retention and development issue, not an admissions one. Unless you’re now implying that these universities know about an individuals reading level prior to admission. You’re treating outcomes as if they were selection criteria, and they’re not the same thing. 

 

 

Whatever boss.   Use your noggen.  They should not be in college if they can’t read. 

Edited April 7 by Caveira

[DazeofGrace]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Whatever boss.   Use your noggen.  They should not be in college if they can’t read. 

You keep arguing ‘they can’t read,’ but you haven’t shown that’s what admissions is evaluating, or that it’s even true at admission. What school is testing for this before admitting, can you tell me? You’re just repeating the same claim without supporting it. It’s almost as if you aren’t reading what I’m saying to you. 

 

[ionel]

12 minutes ago, DazeofGrace said:

You’re still arguing past the actual point. That report doesn’t show unqualified students are being admitted instead of ‘more deserving’ ones, it shows that some athletes struggle academically after admission. Those are completely different claims.Admissions decisions are made using minimum academic thresholds plus additional criteria (like athletics). Once admitted, whether a student succeeds academically is a separate issue entirely, and one that affects non-athletes too. So citing post-admission academic struggles doesn’t prove athletes are ‘taking spots’ from more qualified students, it just shows some admitted students need support. That’s a retention and development issue, not an admissions one. Unless you’re now implying that these universities know about an individuals reading level prior to admission. You’re treating outcomes as if they were selection criteria, and they’re not the same thing. 

 

 

Its possible to talk about more than one issue on these here forum threads.  We don't need to prove athletes are taking spots this is a known fact.  

[jackwebster]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

Its possible to talk about more than one issue on these here forum threads.  We don't need to prove athletes are taking spots this is a known fact.  

They might be quibbling with the term "taking spots." The athletes are not really taking anyone's spot because the athletes' spots are baked in before any selection begins.

[DazeofGrace]

10 minutes ago, ionel said:

Its possible to talk about more than one issue on these here forum threads.  We don't need to prove athletes are taking spots this is a known fact.  

You don’t get to call something a ‘known fact’ right after failing to prove it, that’s not how arguments work. I addressed your claim directly & showed your own example doesn’t support it. Instead of engaging with that, you’ve now moved to ‘we don’t need to prove it,’ which is just another way of saying you can’t. If you want to argue a different issue, go ahead…but don’t pretend you’ve established this one when you haven’t.

 

[DazeofGrace]

6 minutes ago, jackwebster said:

They might be quibbling with the term "taking spots." The athletes are not really taking anyone's spot because the athletes' spots are baked in before any selection begins.

1000%. This is what I’m saying. 

[alex1fly]

53 minutes ago, ionel said:

Its possible to talk about more than one issue on these here forum threads.  We don't need to prove athletes are taking spots this is a known fact.  

Should the new guy start italicizing puns instead? 

[ionel]

27 minutes ago, alex1fly said:

Should the new guy start italicizing puns instead? 

Maybe so.  Although based on some of the things he's posted I don't think he is a "new guy."  We haven't seen JC the last couple days so maybe the jimmybon go a new burner.  

[DazeofGrace]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

Maybe so.  Although based on some of the things he's posted I don't think he is a "new guy."  We haven't seen JC the last couple days so maybe the jimmybon go a new burner.  

Are guys seriously trying to imply I’m some other random on a message board? That’s hilarious. For what it’s worth, I’ve never been on the intermat forums before the other day and my initials aren’t JC but keep guessing. 

[Idaho]

I'm just trying to track down a million college wrestling message boards with hundreds of millions of threads. At about 400 teams combined at all levels, that's about 2400 per team plus I left room for website message boards, conference boards, etc. . I've found 1 for my team so far. Any help is appreciated. 

[JWC]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

 

• Dexter Manley: The former Oklahoma State and NFL player famously revealed he was functionally illiterate until learning to read in his late 20s.

As my Sports Officiating professor said:

”There are only three types of people: those good at math; and those who ain’t.”

[1032004]

18 hours ago, Caveira said:

That’s a lot of words for sometimes / often they steal spots from smarter  kids … sometimes athletes can’t even read or have zero desire to go to class 

If any D1 athletes can’t read, they’re probably football or basketball players and thus making more money for the school than a random smart kid