Caliendo refused to shake Mesenbrink's hand on the podium

[CHROMEBIRD]

49 minutes ago, BAC said:

Flying Dragon?  Or was it Flying Tiger?  Lots of names have been kicking around here for a while.

I think TBar is/was an older guy.  I hope he's OK.

Vak is a good egg, my present criticisms notwithstanding. 

Flying Tiger, that's right!  TBar was here, but hasn't logged in or w(h)ined since 2023..

[headshuck]

Flying Tiger, that's right! [emoji23] TBar was here, but hasn't logged in or w(h)ined since 2023..

Might be pinnacle?

[Hurricane Wrestling]

Rewatch this video of the podium handshake controversy from another angle.  I hate to admit it, but it does look like Mesenbrink may have overstepped the boundaries of good sportsmanship. 

 

[The Kid]

51 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

It is pretty well-documented.  You can see his mouth moving during matches.  Flo brought it up once and Askren confirmed and said he has experienced it and it is annoying.  (Although Ben would do it himself)

That's what I heard as well. Thanks for the confirmation.

[BAC]

45 minutes ago, Hurricane Wrestling said:

Rewatch this video of the podium handshake controversy from another angle.  I hate to admit it, but it does look like Mesenbrink may have overstepped the boundaries of good sportsmanship. 

 

You're such a PSU hater, Hurricane.  That slap was a reasonable reaction to his rejection of an outstretched hand.  Besides, maybe if Caliendo's head-hands defense and reaction time was a little better, he'd have parried it in time. A lesson learned.

[pcostilow]

1 hour ago, BAC said:

You're such a PSU hater, Hurricane.  That slap was a reasonable reaction to his rejection of an outstretched hand.  Besides, maybe if Caliendo's head-hands defense and reaction time was a little better, he'd have parried it in time. A lesson learned.

Caliendo didn't learn his lesson the first 9 times, Mesenbrink had to put him in his place. (I actually vibe with Caliendo on this one tbh).

[Hurricane Wrestling]

13 minutes ago, pcostilow said:

Caliendo didn't learn his lesson the first 9 times, Mesenbrink had to put him in his place. (I actually vibe with Caliendo on this one tbh).

I also didn't have a problem with Caliendo ignoring Mesenbrink's proffered handshake.  Unfortunately, it was a bad look and the Internet jumped all over it.

Then, to compound the problem, his defenders reacted by attacking Mesenbrink, alleging he's a chode who acts foolishly (even taking issue with whether he shakes hands vigorously enough in his loses).  

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, Hurricane Wrestling said:

I also didn't have a problem with Caliendo ignoring Mesenbrink's proffered handshake.  Unfortunately, it was a bad look and the Internet jumped all over it.

Then, to compound the problem, his defenders reacted by attacking Mesenbrink, alleging he's a chode who acts foolishly (even taking issue with whether he shakes hands vigorously enough in his loses).  

He wasn’t called a chode check your notes 

[Hurricane Wrestling]

12 hours ago, Not creative name said:

ask yourself: would the same gesture have been done if MC caught him with the head/arm lock and pinned him?

id say absolutely not.

MM is a chode.

 

[Hurricane Wrestling]

13 minutes ago, Caveira said:

He wasn’t called a chode check your notes 

You're wrong.  As shown above, Not creative name said "MM is a chode" in this thread.  

[Caveira]

10 hours ago, VakAttack said:

I didn't call him a chode.  Foolishness is not the same thing as being a chode.  Considering when he wins it's these long, deep handshakes, and when he lost it was less than half a second, plus I was in the building, I'm fine with my assertion.  Feel free to watch the Burroughs 2024 semifinal for examples of foolishness in losses.

I want to be clear, I'm not criticizing him for reacting poorly, just pointing out that this was performative and condescending, in the same vein as when Nickal would pick the guys up, and is one of those things that's easy to pretend is magnanimous because you're always winning.

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[ionel]

3 hours ago, Hurricane Wrestling said:

Rewatch this video of the podium handshake controversy from another angle.  I hate to admit it, but it does look like Mesenbrink may have overstepped the boundaries of good sportsmanship. 

 

I'm throwing a brick. Doesn't look like MM gave him reaction time on the handshake.  

[Caveira]

12 hours ago, VakAttack said:

I'm not going to call the kid a chode, but as to how he reacts in his (infrequent) losses, that's pretty well-documented.  It ranges from limp handshake to pure foolishness.

I think the direct quote above is there for you to read … I bolded it for you @Hurricane Wrestling

[Southend]

Kind of getting a little silly here, this thread. I mean, Jimmy got one started here. Thanks again Cinnabon 

[Hurricane Wrestling]

34 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I think the direct quote above is there for you to read … I bolded it for you @Hurricane Wrestling

You're still off base.

I said "his defenders reacting by attacking Mesenbrink, alleging he's a chode who acts foolishly (even taking issue with whether he shakes hands vigorously enough in his losses)."   Defenders is plural and includes posters other than Vak, such as Not creative name who explicitly said "MM is a chode."  

Moreover, Vak also said: "I'm not going to call the kid a chode, but as to how he reacts in his (infrequent) losses, that's pretty well-documented."  Sounds to me like he's saying that its documented that Mesenbrink is a chode, while simultaneously saying he's not going to call him one.  A distinction without a difference IMO.

Edited March 24 by Hurricane Wrestling
Reason for edit: Caveria's kind of dense so I'm trying to help him out.

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, Hurricane Wrestling said:

You're still off base.

I said "his defenders reacting by attacking Mesenbrink, alleging he's a chode who acts foolishly (even taking issue with whether he shakes hands vigorously enough in his losses)."   Defenders is plural and includes posters other than Vak, such as Not creative name who said "MM is a chode."  

Moreover, Vak also said: "I'm not going to call the kid a chode, but as to how he reacts in his (infrequent) losses, that's pretty well-documented."  Sounds to me like he's saying that its documented that Mesenbrink is a chode, while simultaneously saying he's not going to call him one.  A distinction without a difference IMO.

Your reading skills need work boss 

[Hurricane Wrestling]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

My comprehension skills need work.  I apologize Mr. Hurricane Wrestling.

You're way off again with your latest post  But, no worries, I fixed it for you ^

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, Hurricane Wrestling said:

You're way off again with your latest post  But, no worries, I fixed it for you ^

Your temporary burner account here to stir the pot for a few days and you will disappear again …

post from your real account sir 

Edited March 24 by Caveira

[Hurricane Wrestling]

14 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Your temporary burner account here to stir the pot for a few days and you will disappear again …

post from your real account sir 

Mr. Caveira, you have absolutely zero evidence that I'm posting from a so-called burner account - nor can you produce any (particularly since I have no such account.)

Obviously, this is just something you're alleging to deflect from the fact that you've been repeatedly proven wrong and lost the argument.

Good night to you sir.

[russelscout]

Mesenbrink is a Dbag. He’s a fantastic wrestler, but he also comes across as a super weird dude. Just because he won the tournament, doesn’t mean others need to take part in his little act.

Edited March 24 by russelscout

[BarSeries]

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[Rassling]

Wow, 7 pages of debate to determine what a man’s non verbal stance actually meant. Everyone handles major disappointment differently. This young man did the best he could in his own way. I’d like to see MM who lately has diarrhea of the mouth publicly indicate he did not view the lack of handshake as a dis and that he understands what he was feeling. That would be the right thing to do after all that’s been said online. The Iowa wrestler doesn’t deserve any of what’s been said and MM could stop it today - should have been done the day after the match imo.

[Hurricane Wrestling]

2 hours ago, Rassling said:

Wow, 7 pages of debate to determine what a man’s non verbal stance actually meant. Everyone handles major disappointment differently. This young man did the best he could in his own way. I’d like to see MM who lately has diarrhea of the mouth publicly indicate he did not view the lack of handshake as a dis and that he understands what he was feeling. That would be the right thing to do after all that’s been said online. The Iowa wrestler doesn’t deserve any of what’s been said and MM could stop it today - should have been done the day after the match imo.

Maybe, but it might make things worse.  If MM made such a statement, his detractors would probably say it was just more "performative and self-aggrandizing" behavior by him.

Interestingly, the day after the match Bo Nickal posted exactly what you're suggesting MM should do (see below).  However, that doesn't seem to have tamped things down much. 

It's an unfortunate situation.  I don't think either Caliendo or Mesenbrink is deserving of being maligned over this incident.

 

Edited March 24 by Hurricane Wrestling