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I used to have a triple bodyweight deadlift. But all you do around here is "heavy lifting"

All Data Contains Errors Just get comfortable with that fact before we move on. What we think we know is not always knowable. Details get lost to time. Mistakes get made (and missed) and become official. But it is OK. We can live with the uncertainty, the nagging sense of doubt, or at least acknowledge our history contains errors, and it will still be OK. The sun will rise; the roses will smell just as sweet; and our loved ones will still love us (or at a minimum, tolerate me). Why do I bring this up? Because by the end of this post I may need to break someone’s heart. I don’t want to, but the power of the data compels me. As many of you know @cowcards has built a fantastic resource for housing the history of wrestling. And as was mentioned above cowcards, @grogs84 and I have been working on taking the wrestlingstats brackets and feeding them into a database with an eye to extending that resource further. Of course there were errors in our manual process. So, some QA work was required. SPOILER: It turns out a whole lot of QA work was required. Team Scores? One idea we had was to use the individual match database to score every past tournament using the rules that existed at the time of each tournament and using the rules that exist today. Besides being interesting it also aided us in finding our mistakes. We could use the history document published annually by the NCAA that contains every past team score to check our own work. It was my hope that we would find our tiny number of errors this way. Oh, those were some sweet, innocent days. There Were How Many Differences? When all was said and done there were over 750 team score differences to track down between 1950 and 2025 (out of almost 5,300 team scores). Sigh. Every single one had to be researched. Most of those differences boiled down to our imperfect understanding of how the rules were applied from year to year. One thing about NCAA wrestling is that it has had an absurd number of rule changes for scoring the tournament. In football a TD has always been six points, in basketball a FT has always been 1 point, and a win is a win is a win. But not in wrestling. Oh, no. We cannot make it that easy. We need to change the value of everything all the time, and we need to be careful to not keep close, detailed records because we love a sense of mystery. After a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth (and a fair amount of consulting with @gimpeltf) we have been able to reduce the total number of differences to about 100 team scores with an average absolute difference of 0.89 points. On information and belief we think a lot of those differences are likely to be the result of human error in the score keeping process. We will publish everything soon, so that the army of internet sleuths can tell us where we went wrong (or right?). Forgiven Me @ionel For I have Sinned (against the Cowboys, so not like a mortal sin) Now on to a few situations where we know the NCAA scores are wrong: Wyoming 2011 – The NCAA has them in 28th place with 21 points. But if you score the brackets, they have 31 points, good enough for 21st place. Either the brackets for 2011 contain unprecedented errors (they don’t or else it would affect other team scores), or whoever typed this up for the NCAA hit a 2 instead of a 3. Hobart 1978 – Who the hell is Hobart? Well, there is no Hobart. There is a Humboldt though. Oops. Oklahoma State 1950 – With sincere apologies to ionel, this one is modestly consequential. In 1950 Oklahoma’s Bill Borders placed fourth at 121, good for 1 team point. Unfortunately, that team point was accidentally awarded to Oklahoma State (Oklahoma A&M at the time) resulting in Oklahoma State being credited with a fourth-place tie with Syracuse at 10 team points. How do we know this? Because this is one of the few years that they showed their work in the NCAA Wrestling Guide. Here we have Borders with a fourth-place finish: And here we have Oklahoma State with the point Borders earned: Moving that team point to its rightful owner, Oklahoma, moves them up from a tie for twelth to a tie for tenth. But it also moves Oklahoma State down from a tie for fourth to solo fifth. We are going to need you to send that team trophy back. On your dime. To show the power of these types of errors to become canon and persist unquestioned, it is even carried to this day in the Oklahoma State Media Guide: If You Have Come This Far... If you are still reading this, and I doubt you are at this point, I want to tease again that we will soon have this data up on cowcards' website. We still need to finish some 1929 - 1949 QA and get a little more disciplined around reason codes and the like, but be assured it is coming soon to a website near you. I also intend to start using the detail to publish some visuals and the like on the site. Not sure what yet. Lets see what tickles my fancy.

Jan 6 wasn’t an insurrection . And caused like $6000 of damage. Just for the blm protests 2 billion dollars of damage was done. Be specific. How was j6 more damaging to anything vs the billions of dollars of damage antifa did during blm

Sure there is bro. Really love how you're an expert on medicine, pharmacology, NGOs, terrorism, Islamism, Mid East relations, and politics. Amazing.

Name the generals Again. One must look into isis to get their leadership info. You have no idea what antifa plans …. Or how they structure different factions or orgs. Literally 0 you know. how did we discover the names of people who may be considered Isis generals: Discovering information about ISIS leaders, including figures like Haji Bakr, relies on a combination of signals intelligence, on-the-ground human intelligence, interrogations, and the analysis of captured materials . Because ISIS is a clandestine organization, its leadership does not publicize official command structures. Instead, intelligence agencies use a range of methods to piece together an understanding of the group's network.

Jan 6. way more violent than " antifa"

I know boss. all good

"to an extent" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

ISIS has generals that command troops to do things. It is a top-down leadership structure. There is nothing comparable with Antifa there. There's a reason they've never named a leader(s) of Antifa. There isn't anybody giving orders.

Suspended by Disney; reinstated by Disney...

I was being sarcastic lol

I don’t think so. I thought we figured out their stuff via investigations etc. I don’t think they publish a manifest as to who is the leader here there or anywhere. Structure occurs eventually in all orgs it’s a human condition. I’ll bet there is far more structure to antifa today than we know. Just in the shadows…. Partially because no one wanted to investigate them in the past.

Kinda crazy, but that is what they were doing to an extent.

When was the last time Varner wrestled an official match? I can’t imagine his gas tank is in tip top shape either.

Decentralized command makes a lot of sense for a shadowy group of domestic terrorists.

Does isis have a secret initiation? Membership fees? Ranks and insignias on uniforms? Secret handshake? Prob not an organization.

I forgot that he is close to Cenzo, but lets be honest, I thought PSU was like the Navy SEALs and Major Leagues of all wrestling rooms in the world. (esp for upper weights) Now he wants to go to the minors?

Yes, absolutely. It has a hierarchical leadership structure that can be identified and defined. It matters because a terrorist designation strips you of certain rights in this country and has political consequences for people who are perceived to be a part of said group. The key word there is "perceive." That's why it matters. "Antifa" does not exist as an organization. There are hundreds of small groups - maybe even a singular person in some cases - who are labeled as Antifa because they proclaim an anti-fascist ideology. But they are not centrally organized - or really organized at all. These groups operate under their own autonomy, not according to a broader strategy. It's exactly this diffuseness or blurriness of what "Antifa" is that makes this decision so dangerous. If you can't clearly define what Antifa is or who is a "member," then you can label any group or individual who you believe shares their ideas as Antifa, and therefore a terrorist. That's why I compared it to designating "Conservatives" as terrorists. For example, say the Biden administration, using the actions of a group of Conservatives - who like Antifa were not part of larger, definable organization, declared that "Conservatives" were terrorists because they share the ideals of the Conservatives who stormed the capital. Now they have the justification to treat every Conservative in the country as a terrorist. As many on here know, I attended the Palestine protests. Donald Trump would probably call me "Antifa." I've never attended a meeting or met anybody who has claimed to be a part of Antifa (because that doesn't actually exist). Yet, if I were to go to such a protest now, I could be targeted as a terrorist because I'm - simply by virtue of sharing some of their political views and commitments - "Antifa." One last extreme example to show the point: being an Islamist does not make you a terrorist. You have to actually join a terror group or commit an act of terror to be a terrorist.

I'm with you. That's why I made https://wrestlingrecords.com/. The lack of data in wrestling is pretty crazy. Followed you on Medium, you have some great stuff.

Babylon Bee delivers again: Unfortunately that article is behind the paywall so I cannot link it here.

The paste below Sounds similar to antifa if you ask me boss. The 3 letter agencies IF dedicated to finally looking into antifa —> I bet will find a structure… even if it’s loose and unofficial. There is no public list of all official members of ISIS, but the group's top leaders have been identified through intelligence efforts . The overall number of fighters is difficult to confirm, though UN and US government estimates place it in the thousands across the group's operating areas.

Zero violence.

Q Anon should be a terror org too. Much much worse than antifa.

I believe they have official members. Don't know if they should be designated as terror org. Probably.

I moved to MN and started following NCAA wrestling in the late 80's, 90's so I have an anti-Iowa bias and I never saw some of the earlier legends that are on so many lists. D. Ness, B Askren and B. Andonian were a trio of the most exciting NCAA wrestlers because yo never knew what was going to happen next. Ryan Lewis was the right guy at the right time for my sons and I to be fans. It was all over once he hooked up those arm bars! Kole Konrad. Watching him compete against and eventually develop a strategy to defeat Mocco was exciting. Heroes need foils and the Conrad/Mocco rivalry was great. The Brandvold-era Gable Steveson. There was never a question of his physical talent but Steveson peaked when he had Brandvold in his corner to keep his mind right. Dake - Mr. Bright Lights. He always rose to the occasion. The bigger the stage the better he wrestled. Dieringer, Yianni and Vito would round out my list. Hot take: David Taylor is a popular choice here and an incredible wrestler, but I found him boring to watch.