billyhoyle

Schools that have trouble filling enrollment aren't great places to go to school. I don't think many D1 wrestling programs fit into this category where they can't get enough students in the university.

Saying their high school career was "not extraordinary in any way" shows your own lack of knowledge. They were recruited by the greatest college wrestling coach of all time at his peak of dominance who could almost have his pick of any recruit in the country. Both Tom and Terry were undefeated as seniors in Iowa. Tom set a record for the most takedowns in a season and most points in a season in his senior year of HS (https://www.iowawrestlinghalloffame.com/inductee/terry-brands-2). They were absolutely dominant in the toughest (or close to toughest) wrestling state at the time, and the style that they wrestled made it clear to people who knew wrestling (Gable) that they would be great. You don't judge a recruit by the 4 year record (theirs was outstanding as well btw), but by how dominant they were when they were being recruited.

What's the line on Mijain Lopez? It's a sure thing he never loses!

Palmer was a top recruit, but not at the level that you remember. Schlatter was a much more hyped recruit from Ohio. So was Stieber and of course Taylor. A couple guys from his own year were ranked higher than Palmer. Palmer did wrestle a bear in high school though and had an absolutely insane documentary made about his senior year (insane as in, this guy did not have a balanced childhood). Back to the OP: I love this legendary quote from Royce Alger about recruiting the Brands: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2188889568046543 The funny thing about this match is it became apparent that Marsteller was overhyped after all the attention this match got, and then seeing Wiercoch got teched early in his freshman season (the next year). Obviously Marsteller was still great, but many had him as the #1 overall recruit ahead of Snyder heading into their senior seasons despite Snyder's Junior world gold.

It makes no sense that he would win world's the year before the Olympics and then all of a sudden lose motivation when the second Olympic gold would place him as one of the greatest American wrestlers ever. I just think Brooks surpassed him.

I'm not saying the changes you are suggesting are wrong. All I am saying is that I don't consider the failure by the secret service to be equal to incompetence. This guy got off 8 shots because he had a semi-automatic assault rifle-that is extremely challenging to stop even though they did eliminate the threat in seconds. At some point, there will be another failure by the Secret Service. Thankfully, we went forty years between the last major one and this one (they have stopped many potential threats between these two events). When that next failure happens, there will be some other point of failure that seems obvious in retrospect that was overlooked. It's just the nature of challenge of the job. It's impossible to account for and prevent every scenario given that these candidates are holding so many rallies and the secret service has finite resources. You mention drones and helicopters as a defense-well preventing a drone attack is challenging as well. Look at the murder of the Japanese prime minister as an example of how challenging stopping an assassination is. As technology gets better to stop these attacks, the technology available for them also improves. It's very easy to shit on law enforcement these days. I think we can acknowledge that they failed while also recognizing how difficult their job is, and how failure does not equal incompetence. The focus should be analogous to that after 9/11, where the goal was to stop future events-not insult the FBI for their failure to stop the attack.

In retrospect it of course should have been covered and they of course failed to fully secure the candidate. But they didn’t fail in protecting his life-you can call it luck, but the assassin had to take a rushed shot and was taken out quickly once the snipers identified him as a threat. The secret service both failed to fully protect Trump, but also saved his life. The thing with points of failure is that it’s impossible to eliminate them all in this type of outdoor setting, and most of the time we can only be reactive instead of proactive. Reinforcing cockpit doors on airplanes is a perfect example. It would have prevented 9/11, but who knew to do that? Yes, the roof should have been secure. But that wasn’t the only point of failure. Anyone in that crowd potentially had the ability to sneak in a weapon through the checkpoint with proper concealment. Look at what happened in Japan as an example. We live in a country where it’s extremely easy for these wackos to get guns (political assassins are often not politically motivated but fit the same profile as Crooks). So the challenge of protecting somebody this high profile is very real. The next time something like this happens, there will be another obvious point of failure that caused it. I think some of the key takeaways from this are: 1. Better communication is needed between local police and secret service. 2. Candidates should avoid having these open outdoor rallies-venues should be more secure. 3. Secret service should have a better system of removing the candidate from the stage if there is anything suspicious at all.

Because of the secret service, the sniper was eliminated seconds after he fired. They also rushed the stage and protected Trump. It is almost impossible to guarantee security, especially in a wide open space. Many would be assassins are arrested or stopped well before that point.

Is that budget really a lot though? They had more agents protecting Trump than a typical candidate because of the Iran threat. If Trump holds 100 rallies and they are in wide open areas with multiple sniper teams and pre planning, protecting him alone is insanely expensive. The current president requires even more resources. They also have to protect the ex presidents, families of presidents, and now RFK. There’s a big logistics question about how many outdoor rallies these candidates should have and how much of that security should be covered by the campaign.

So we are saying Sidakov is better than JB because he beat JB well past his prime and Dake, who got teched by a Bellarussian at the Olympics? Tsargush was dominant until he ran into JB. JB in his prime takes out Sidakov in his prime.

Are we sure he didn't just have a cauliflower ear that popped when he hit the deck? He is in the wrestling hall of fame after all.

This is why Europeans think we're nuts. We have people posting as toilets who are riflery experts (I don't understand what you said, but it sounds like you know your shit). So many random people are armed. Anybody who snaps can have access to a weapon and try to do some crazy shit like we saw yesterday. I'm more amazed that we have gone 40 years between Reagan and this than the failure of the Secret Service in this case to prevent it. That has to be one of the most difficult jobs in the world. I wonder if the only solution here is that moving forward there shouldn't be presidential rallies outside in open areas-and that they should really only take place in indoor venues with fixed points of entry.

The thing you posted here is a screenshot of 4chan. 4Chan is a message board where anyone can post anything anonymously. So it wasn’t a report that you posted, it was just somebody trolling you.

Why don’t we let the details come out before excoriating them. Obviously this was a failure in the system, but they did neutralize the shooter in seconds after all. We live in a society where everyone can be armed to the teeth. People of all ages have access to weapons that can fire 8 shots in seconds with high accuracy. Shorter range pistols can also be 3D printed out of plastic (see Japan). They had to be mindful of the entire crowd in that wide open space, not just the rooftops. who knows how long they even had to prepare for the rally and the many other rallies that they have to protect as well-each in a different location. And then in the moment, it is not easy to immediately recognize a target as a shooter vs just a random Trump supporter in the crowd watching from the roof. Obviously in retrospect that sounds stupid, but this is a decision the sniper had to make in an instant before the shots were fired while also taking aim. These are the best in the world at this job, but they are still human. We see it all the time where officers fail to stop shooters, and unfortunately that happened once again here. There are also so many random threats posted on social media that identifying these people before they attack is even more challenging.

Which report? The one posted on 4Chan?

Would the secret service snipers even need approval to eliminate somebody with a rifle pointed at the former president? All this transpired over the course of seconds-it’s not unreasonable that the agent simply failed to recognize and then engage the threat before the shots were fired. The shooting only lasted briefly, so he was taken out immediately.

Is it really incompetence? The shooter was neutralized in seconds from 150 yards away. Lee Harvey Oswald got away from the scene. The attempts on Reagan and RFK were both at point blank range. Obviously it was a failure in security, but it is an extremely difficult challenge to protect somebody in open space like. The idea that Trump was in on it makes no sense. The idea that the secret service was in on it makes no sense (they saved his life and acted immediately). Why would they pick a 20 year old wacko to do this?

You believe a random post on 4chan? The conspiracies that Trump set this up are idiotic. The roof is at an angle, so he would have only had seconds to spot him, confirm the threat, and take him out. And he did take the guy out almost immediately.

It’s crazy to me that a deranged 20 year old can get access to a semi automatic rifle and almost take away the democratic process from millions of people who support Trump. You had tons of secret service agents protecting him, and a sniper take out the shooter in seconds, but he was still able to get off what seemed to be 4-5 close shots in rapid succession. Security has gotten much better since even the attempt on Reagan’s life, but so has the prevalence of potential threats and the ease with which they can access the means to do it (weapons, but also mapping of events bc of the satellite images). Bc the rally was in PA and so was the gunman, I wonder how much this guy planned for this. Or did he just snap.

There are huge issues related to physical and mental health to go through the steroid cycles required to be successful in WWE. The experiences portrayed in "The Iron Claw" are not the exception, unfortunately. The wrestlers with brand recognition like Logan Paul, KSI, Gable Steveson, and Kurt Angle have not had to change their names. It's telling that they don't value the brand that she built enough to let her do the same-I view it as a huge red flag. What differentiates her from everyone else now? And I'm drawing this conclusion from the clips that were shared. Being successful in WWE is not about how good of an amateur wrestler you are. I posted the exact same thing when Gable Steveson's clips in WWE started coming out years ago. It was obvious he wasn't going to work out, and I think he was lucky to be able to get out when he did. People here were talking about how he'd be the next Lesnar or Angle and get to star in movies. I'd be happy to be wrong, but it's crazy to me that anyone views WWE as a good career path. The odds are much higher that you develop substance abuse problems and leave broke than actually earning enough from it for the issues to be worth it.

Did you have a problem with the U.S. going into Afghanistan after 9/11? There's no moral equivalency between invading a sovereign nation to annex it and responding to a terrorist attack by going after that terrorist group. This response by Russia seems more aimed at punishing their athletes who chose not to publicly support the war than it does anything else.

It's a legitimate question...Why would they rebrand her when she won the Olympics and got TONS of good press from that? The best in the sport do pretty well in the long term. I bet Gable Steveson would have been better off financially if he had stuck with wrestling. We'll see what happens in his career vs JB, Taylor, Dake, Snyder. Obviously, TMS has less earning potential than they do, but I doubt she has that much in WWE either (based on how they have treated her and that clip). WWE is not about actual wrestling skills at all, and it never has been. WWE stars come from being roided up and playing on whatever the zeitgeist is. Women's amateur wrestling is growing, and TMS could be a leader in that-there is much more space for growth there than there is in WWE.

If that kid had just learned a stand up and gotten off from bottom his dad wouldn't have been arrested! That is why you practice mat wrestling (looking at you, Ohio State).

Athletes always get crap when they do this-it's not just a wrestling thing. Many more people know about Muhammad Ali and Tim Tebow and how they mixed religion and sport than know of PSU wrestling. Kyrie Irving got WAY more pushback for disparaging a religion than Aaron Brooks ever did (I don't think Brooks ever even apologized).

Maybe this guy lost because the people in his district didn't like him and it's not some big conspiracy? No amount of money would make AOC or Jim Jordan lose a primary because their districts like them.