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Messenbrink most overrated wrestler of all time. Spot on op. Guy is a chicken with head cut off. Good motor but physically manhandled against the big boys. Never seen it with him. Carr is a different class. And that class is several classes below what we've had. Gonna be a big hole on the roster.

Blaze doesn't score enough to see him living up to the hype

Greco at high level is damn tough to beat I watched one match this year. The bulgerian middleweight for gold was absolutely electric. More exciting then most freestyle matches How much is the fact that us greco sucks and is boring so we aren't exposed to elite aesthetic greco ? I watched that one match and said WTH is wrong with people hating on greco That bulgerian middleweight is athletic and spry too not just some guy shoving his body weight. Insane hips

How can we do better to attract Russians to wrestle for USA ? That's the question USA should be asking.

Is this the first worlds an American didn't get screwed over by a questionable or flat out wrong call ?

Thought this was a well officiated olympics. Name me one horrific call. Usually there is beyond multiple and is one of the takeaway storylines. Not this year. The review guy actually was quite decisive and his scoring always added up

Two of the strongest biggest gas tank most dominant and best collegiate wrestlers ever in Metcalf and zain couldn't break through internationally at 65 Now how are we gonna fair with guys not in that class. Zain was a horse. No more horses to take overseas.

I promise you anyone at nittany lion would say messenbrink isn't even in nolfs class who have seen them wrestle. You can bookmark this - messenbrink won't be shit at the senior level. Again...tons of cadets and juniors. Not translating.

Messenbrink was handled by carr. Wasn't close. If you look at who controlled the match it's obvious. Embarrassed at world team trials the match vs JB was the worst performance at trials He's just overrated and I said it before NCAAs and I think was proven correct Micah would of excelled at free. Great great leg attacker. Both just get big brothered vs the elites.

As much cross training between countries and Russians who have migrated here . You would think we would all be on a level playing field technique wise. We need to bribe a Japanese coach with money.

The mens improvement seems as rapid as any country. When Japan came to USA for world cup they had 2 guys of consequence that I can recall. Now they are deep. The coaching and improvement in Japan just far exceed what we have going on here. Take a look at this.....Japan developed technique never thought of by USA coaching geniuses

Nope. 6 weights. 4/6 lost matches we were favored in. So we went under expectations 70 percent of time. Then when everyone makes a huge deal about the Olympics once every four years. About how it is so much more important then worlds ...it matters more. Failing expectations means more. So I actually thought dake lost to the takatani that was pretty marginal and Burroughs best soundly multiple times. after knowing it's his brother and his track record it's not as bad. But dake still was a betting favorite and the manner in which he lost via technical preparation and coaching was worse. And the match wasn't super close. . No matter the metric. USA failed. In THE OLYMPICS which means 100x more to wrestling fans.

Nope not even close. Had better international feel. Knew how to move contort his body out of brooks 2 and knew how to score on brooks in an international position while brooks was doing folk. Proved big muscle guys still can have that slick feel to em. Nickal could of helped brooks.

Only "physical" advantage Russians have is balance .... And quick twitch muscle fibers. Their muscles are trained for each position ...not through weights. They break down each biometric muscle pattern used in wrestling ....understand the most efficient movement and through wrestling develop those reactions and thus the muscles needed to do it better. it's wrestling function. Pure strength is completely useless on its own. That balance and instinctual twitch to move through a position is basically their advantage. I call it international feel. Bo nickal had an international style. How many Americans will give you a leg ? Would of liked to see nickal develop.

Carr doesn't dominate quite to the extent nolf and others before him did in college imo. Even zain. Steiber. Unprecedented run of 4 time champs recently and 3 timers. And look at them in the senior level. Our guys just don't jump levels at the senior level. Meanwhile just read kiyooka was like 8th at u23. We flatline or get worse. Other countries get better.

Nolf is one of the last of the Mohicans ...like nolf alot. Dake I think will wrestle 28 if I had to bet But after nolf. Those replacements look a lot worse. Yianni was supposed to be the next great one. Didn't happen. You have to go to a guy like a David carr. Just not on the level of a nolf. All the great cadets we thought we had just not elite enough. Truly just witnessed a golden age of USA wrestling. Back to being a bottom dweller

If people think it's bad now....just wait. At least this crop has the talent. Don't even think good coaching can help the next crop. No Taylor's dakes Burroughs cox Snyder's walking through that door The dropoff is real. Don't even see any Metcalf walking through that door. Messenbrink isn't even close to being it. That's like saying Micah Jordan would win a medal.

If I knew we were going down like that I would of preferred to go down Metcalf style. Another brands guy. Like lee. The way those guys wrestle puts a smile on my face

I only predicted one gold (dake).....yet I still think we massively underachieved. Lost as the favorite in many matches and didn't win any as underdogs. Carl didn't even show up. He must of known not to show his face. He must of been in state college.

absolutely wild i see few people acting like usa didn't underperform - when they and everyone else predicted better results, we got great draws, and russia was not there. If you think we did not underperform - you are admitting you wouldn't take brooks in a best of 5 series against the bulgarian. Shit - you'd take brooks tomorrow all day. He was controlling the first period. Same with dake , your admitting you wouldn't take dake in a best of series against the japanese, would take him all day tomorrow. And admitting you wouldn't take snyder against the iranian, or parris. That is the definition of underperforming - losing to guys you are better then.

all i know is post his first olympic gold when nike was involved the only way rudis could sign him was to give him stake in the company. unfortunately, that was snyders peak. From a business standpoint - that is called buying at the top. I would not say he is a very personable marketable guy either like say jb that is a media draw. The play rudis should of went at that time was spg alum TAylor. His value just skyrocketed. of course the ultimate play would be for rudis to go sign a real winner like taz, sadulaev, or penetrate the international scene. With those fans i couldn't imagine how much the brand would increase.

Don't believe Snyder ever talks to bo Jordan any ex teammate or Ryan or any Ohio state affiliation at all whatsoever except for rudis where he is a part owner. Talk about a bad investment. Watching Snyder wrestle is like watching paint dry on a wall. Just a very boring style.

As I recall he just pulled a tiger on Stevie Williams or Mark omeara. Basically tervel was as responsible for Snyder developing as cael for Taylor. Sure was a can't miss but heavyweight training guys are rare ....more then that it wasn't a classic coach player relationship more of a best friend relationship and Snyder is on record saying the unique approach of tervel changed his mental approach to wrestling. Pretty much credited his Olympic gold solely to tervel. If you noticed tiger was never the same after leaving Stevie Williams.

How much would you pay to see folkstyle retherford vs the Iranian that crushed him. The Iranian is strong as an ox...I think he rides zain. If USA is going to have folk...it takes much of its luster away knowing we all prbly suck at folk and it's like what are we cheering for ? A rich guy needs to put up a prize tourney to engage internationals to give folk a go for entertainment. Sanctioning it as a style like swimming would be great. How about an "all around" medal for ability to wrestle all 3 styles. 6 minutes is much too short for an anticipated bout....combining all styles would be nice.

I don't think JB and Taylor wrestled junior worlds So answer me this. What country has developed junior world talent into senior level talent worse then the USA ? Only diahhamolis Lee and brooks and parris have made it. None have gold. I bet Iran Russia Japan etc have multiple junior world champs developed successfully into senior champs. If Lee didn't wrestle freestyle cause of folk scrap it. Burn folk.