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That's not the meanest one I've heard. "Torn labia." Yeah...some fans can be brutal. I don't know if he was hurt(I'm skeptical). Does it really matter at this point? He suffered a brutal loss. He ran out of gas in the 3rd period because A-He's been so dominant, he's seldom had to go 7 minutes and B-He was coming back from two torn ACLs and that means not only could he not run, he couldn't Wrestle. Still a 3X Champ and one of the most dominant Wrestlers we've ever seen. This was kinda what we were talking about in the thread about Penn State's Wrestlers. I get he's not a 4X Champ, but one loss isn't going to change my opinion of a Wrestler that much.

Right. The RECRUITS that go there. Bringing in a 6th year guy for one year after a Freshmen...who DID have a very good Freshmen year isn't a great precedent. And Nevills got beaten out by a guy who'll use up all of his eligibility at PSU. Beard to a guy who at least had two years left. Facundo isn't Gary Steen and Griffith, as impressive as he is, scored 11 points this year. Now if Starocci were to go up along with Brooks, then I'd say it makes sense. Otherwise, I don't. It seems like it'd be more to keep him away from other teams than to improve your own at that point.

Not sure about that. Had Lee done what was expected of him, I think he wins the Hodge...not that it matters now.

I agree. Carr #1, then Parris. I picked Kerk coming into this one and...I'm NOT feeling good about that right now. I mean, I know PSU comes through more often than not, but Parris looks like a man on a mission.

I've had Haines winning it as a Freshmen since the middle of last year. If ANYONE is Mrs. Haines...it's me!

LOL...right? I didn't see him taking a 3rd coming into the tournament, but he's a blue chip recruit at PSU. I'm skeptical people were down on Van Ness so much as they were likely arguing he wasn't a stud just yet.

Why? Because he isn't in the finals like Haines? In probably the toughest weight class and he's a Freshmen. If he gets knocked out by the wealth of prep talent you have coming in, fine. But recruiting over him when you're THEE dominant program for one year of Griffith...doesn't seem like the best idea.

Starocci has made it pretty clear he's not going to 184. That makes it pretty tough to figure out without Facundo getting knocked out of the lineup.

Where the hell does he fit into that PSU lineup? LOL...that's more about Penn State, but they have a finalist at '57 who may not be able to stay at '57, Van Ness, a Freshmen who just took a 3rd at '49. Sealey, Barr are coming in. Starocci and Brooks are still there. Do you really want to recruit over Facundo, a really good Freshmen? On the other hand, you add Kasak in and...Facundo MIGHT be forced out of that lineup anyway. But if his goal is to Wrestle at the next level, if he wants to Wrestle Freestyle, what better place is there than the NLWC. ASU though, you throw him into that lineup with Teemer coming back and the young talent they've got, that's a WHOLE lot of talent up and down that lineup. Don't expect much of a drop off(if any) at 125 and they bring back everyone but McGee I believe?

That's Woods. RBY has Vito Arajau who majored Fix last night. I THINK RBY will win, but he could certainly lose. I picked RBY, Haines, Starr, Brooks and Kerkvliet, but I'm not feeling good about the last one.

I think that may be pushing it...but I'd have said the same about RBY the year prior. He's gotta get a little better offensively on his feet and get out quicker on the bottom, but I didn't see RBY's dominance coming out. It's pretty tough to predict a run of dominance that's on a RBY level coming off a 5th place finish. Even as a Freshmen. He's obviously capable though.

Yeah, it's brutal. I've been listening. The only problem I have with Shane Sparks now is him going WAY out of his way to say "resilite." Someone got an escape yesterday and Sparks said something like, "back to his feet now on the resilite." Someone said he had a endorsement deal. It'd make sense given how hard he tries to work it in. BUT, that's nitpicking. He's good. Robles is good. And if I had my choice, it'd be Gibbons, Sparks and then you'd rotate in a Robles or JB or Cormier. Or Dake. I think he'd be awesome at it as well. Tim Johnson, good guy, but again, someone pointed out some certain mannerisms and now it's all I can hear. And I like Rock, but the "grimy" Wrestlers...doesn't feel like a compliment. And it's WAY overused. But he's excited and loves the sport. I swear, I never gave it much of a thought other than maybe watching the B1G network and it wasn't Gibbons/Sparks, but I wasn't very discerning. Now after an earlier thread where people pointed out Johnson's stories or his lags in finishing an anecdote or whatever it may be, they're difficult to listen to.

Yeah...and if Iowa was winning 10 out of 12 NCAA Titles and putting Freshmen into the finals every year and dominating, it'd still be called the Iowa Ride!

Sure, if you're not working to turn. DEFINITELY need to nix the "Penn State Ankle Ride." And I agree that the kid is just a stud...but I still think he's choking. The last thing I want to see is this go to Freestyle.

Seems like they're at the same place we are...they're not really sure. The "It's not an escape because you have to turn and face," he kicked out, rolled and was...5 feet away from him as the clock hit 0. That is a loss of control. The refs, you can hear them say, "I can't see the clock," when they're looking at the review. IF-IF the refs doing their own review is the reason and it's a "control of the mat," issue if you throw a brick, they need to fix that. It certainly is possible that the clock we see isn't entirely accurate. That would make sense. He kicks away with ~2 seconds left, hits the mat at about one and is turning on his feet right at 0. So if the clock is 1.5 seconds off...fine. I hate the "the better Wrestler won it anyway," logic. You have ALL of this available, use it.

Maybe? Or maybe they thought it'd been reviewed. The ONLY other conclusion I can come to is that the timer isn't exactly the same, but the way Coleman Scott was yelling at O'Connor, I think he knew he got away with one as well. I had Humprheys and Haines in the finals, so I was really puling for that call!

What the hell was the LeHigh staff thinking at the end of that match not challenging? Humpheys kicks out with 2 seconds left and is COMPLETELY free of O'Connor when time runs out. The refs on the match reviewed it on their own monitor, but they don't have all the angles they do up in the box and you can actually hear one of the refs say, "I can't see the time," and then "I think time was up," as they go back and signal no escape. So why wouldn't they throw the brick and send the challenge upstairs where they have the same camera angles available? Just curious if anyone else noticed that amid all the other matches going on.

This seems like a really bad time to kick Iowa fans when they're down(never thought I'd say that). Lee was a dominant Wrestler who won 3 NCs and got upset in the Semis.

I thought it was...but I also nhs67 NOT finding the humor in this(or any other Iowa fans). Another way to go..."Did you see that MASSIVE upset with Purdue? Got knocked off by a 16 seed. Biggest upset of Friday Night." That wasn't a joke though. That was a real post by a Purdue fan who...I started to argue with and then gave up after 2 posts since he obviously just didn't get it!

I just kinda assumed this was a joke...since OBVIOUSLY the biggest upset was...well, since it's obvious, you know.

Wow....that is disappointing. I really didn't think Lee would go out like that.

Why do you HAVE to think that? He got a 3 month suspension.

Yeah...comparing it to opioids and Fentanyl is just WILD.

Yes...if he makes it there, absolutely. ALL DAY to get recover from his final weight cut? Spencer having been a bit gassed a few times this year(the few times he's gone a full match). IF Glory can weather the storm the first period while pushing Lee without putting himself in danger, then I think he COULD have a real chance in the 3rd period to wear him down and pull off an upset.

Dude...this one is NOT a choke. Riding on top with both legs in and coming right across the throat and a pinning combination like this where his elbow is on the chin are two VERY different positions.