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No...it doesn't.

I don't. I never came across anyone who did steroids in HS or College... I did know one guy who was a prison guard who inferred he did... but I'm pretty sure he just spent a lot on questionable supplements rather than actually using steroids. How? I'm genuinely curious...since people throw this around. If we're going to disgrace the titans of the sport, please have more than the nonsense this thread has been filled with about Penn State.

I think this entire premise is just...stupid to be honest. Brooks is still subject to test. It's not like they only test when you Wrestle anyway. I don't know Mormon law's loopholes and I don't think you can just not eat Breakfast and taking your test(in fact, last time I had all my work done, including testosterone, you had to fast for at least 12 hours). Either way, you stay in the testing pool and if you retire and remove yourself, you have to do so 6 months before you come back. So the premise is entirely flawed. It seems more likely than PSU has this Russian type steroid program...they're just better because they have better Wrestlers.

Well, if it's a scholarship, obviously you can't tax that, but they were talking about NIL money. There's zero chance PSU had all those guys on full Scholarships. I assumed he was talking about a Suriano type deal where they pay you what tuition and room and board is and then pay you on top of that. That said, this seemed pretty clear.

....and how do you feel about Iowa fans? Good for the sport! LOL...what a ridiculous take. The very region where the best Wrestlers in the Countries come from and have come for...how long, and they're now not "good for the sport?"

The answer to that was 'the Mormons I know eat meat?' Ok, do they use steroids? That was more the issue here. Coffee, not even drinking caffeine is more applicable to the claim that there is some larger effort to avoid testing(when again, you can still get tested if you compete or not) to the open ended "time of cold and famine" meat guidelines?

Yes. That is taxable income. If part of the deal is someone paying 40K for your education, that is considered taxable income. They don't have to declare "themselves as professional athletes," just...self-employed.

Yes, as opposed to weight cutting. You muscle and bone density is loss with these weight loss drugs.

Well...not Schultz...but sure. I would think if you're bulking up, you're probably going to try and get up to ~220-225 while lifting and just not cutting weight(it's about as big as I can imagine Brooks getting). So maybe he just doesn't want to cut at all, even a relatively easy cut. I'm like 99% sure you can still be tested even if you're not competing though, so I doubt that's the reason. Some bigger conspiracy. Like Cael, a guy who doesn't drink Coffee is running some big roid ring for his Wrestlers and scheduling competition around it? Seems...a bit silly.

Yup. It was Taylor's first year. You DON'T think Oklahoma State is passing Iowa? You're either lying to me or yourself...I don't know who.

Being 5'6 helps. Was he pretty big? Sure. 184 Big? No. Deakin one weight class higher and about 6 inches taller was...insane.

Yeah...I think they would... but all three guys you mentioned are big pretty big. This also feels like an odd topic. There are plenty of dudes who are still big, but they seem smarter about their workouts. Spencer Lee...his was like 90% core. That's why he can turn pretty much anyone.

I feel like you answered your own question...multiple times. When did Penn State become dominant? What has happened to Okie State in the past 12 months?

Yeah...far be it for me to speak for "the internet," and...I'm pretty indifferent on the Iowa thing, but when their fan base sees Oklahoma State just blow right past them while hiring a younger legend after their older legend moves on and Iowa finishes 4th this year, 5th last year... It almost feels more insulting TO Iowa FROM Iowa fans. If being really good and the #3 program(which...is definitely where they're trending) are the "consistent" results, then...alright. To my mind, it'd be like Ohio State Football just being cool with Michigan passing them up and being like, 'well yeah, who has beat us other than Michigan?' Isn't that the whole thing? Ohio State, Alabama(more competitive teams in CFB, but I feel like the point stands). But hey, if consistently producing 125/133 pound studs is the goal, Iowa is the place to go!

The new Topic is...Pedantic. Pedantic. Seriously, what's the argument here? Tom Brands recruited kids to Va Tech. They went there because of Tom Brands...that is particularly clear because most of them were from Iowa. They all transferred to Iowa when Tom AND Terry went back to Iowa. Is the issue that Terry wasn't involved enough or...what? Please explain how "these were not?"

We should probably see what they do with the international weights(if anything). There were plenty of people in favor of moving 57KG to 59KG or 60KG as 125 for an adult Male is...pretty small.

Well....if you're going to use Lance Runyon as an example, Bastida, an AA his first year as a starter at '97...seems like a viable answer(along with Laird...the first example I used). I'm also not sure how hurt he was. I know he was taking a medical, so...maybe that was just to let the big boys at HWT clear out? I couldn't really speak to that as I don't actually know about the extent of his injury. Lucas Cochran is used as an example of a guy moving up and beating Slavikouski regularly though. The same guy who beat Bastida. So again, it seems fair. He should have a better chance this year with so many big HWTs moving on...we'll see if he can improve upon his 5th place finish 5 years ago now.

I know how one person got on it. I had an Aunt and Uncle that moved to South America for a while(~10 years). Some European/American retirement community right on the Ocean. They just packed everything up put it in a shipping container. Moving back home, they did the same. Like...everything you had space for. His wife packed spices. Apparently sugar and Flower...which may have been stupid, but they went through the container, kept it a month, nothing else in it. That was suspicious behavior. Now they have a Son(my Aunt did) who was stationed where they moved to. They have a son in FBI intelligence. Very openly MAGA(only relevant because they moved back in 2018/2019 over that period of time) and despite having a stick up his rear and complaining about a Walter White Joke his Dad made on Facebook... while he had Cancer, he posts about Muslims taking over our Country...and then the picture he used was some Republican who is of Lebanese ethnicity(but...almost as white as Pence) from Illinois. Darin LaHood is the guy he posted(he then took it down and put up someone else and then quoted Bin Laden about taking down the US from within). They found out he was on a watch list because of that son...who will also tell you the FBI is extremely conservative and he hasn't met anyone who isn't a Trump supporter. that's apropos of nothing beyond the anecdote and how it contrasts with the whole 'the FBI is liberal and should be disbanded,' talking point that's been used. So...yeah, now my Uncle just jokes around. Whenever he talks to his Son, he makes comments about how he found some really good yellow cake...at the store and how much he loves it. Gets his son all worked up(they're not of the same mind politically). His wife died and he doesn't care as he lives by himself in VERY rural area. It's not how I'd joke around, but he is a Veteran of Vietnam, then a Fireman, then became a Cop and then a Sheriff....and he's on the list, that...again, he only found out about due to his Son.

So...because those voters "voted thusly," then...it's alright to beat the hell out of Cops with flags? I'm not sure case law supports that or that you know what Due Process is, but sure!

Is this a question or an answer? See, that was a question as I don't know if you're just talking nonsense or if you're actually making that argument.

Actually lost to Mullen and then it appears he beat the 1-8 or 9-16 type HWTs and got beaten pretty badly by the decent to good HWTs. Ethan Laird...he was in the Semi's at 197, losing to the NC(Nico from Pitt) and then on the backside to Warner(2nd the year before, only lost to Elam that year, 4X AA) and then Truax who was also a 4X AA(4,4,4,5). Bastida also took a 5th as a Freshmen and either hasn't replicated that or hasn't stayed healthy(could that be from a guy tweener having to move up and giving up 30-40 pounds?). And Bastida was a particularly unique case as he was basically giving up a point each match. Lost 1-0 to Elam as he was just getting acclimated to Folkstyle and bottom Wrestling. In fact, both of those losses were on RT or taking neutral. Eh, not conclusory, but not sure Lance Runyon is either.

What's the..."logic" behind this? Why is it Iowa "or bust?" And what does Bust mean in this case? They just don't Wrestle in College?

Because they were all Brands recruits. So being as that's the topic, and since they all were part of a recruiting class that took a RS, then moved with Brands, I don't really see why you wouldn't count them? They were HS recruits in the same class...they just moved with Brands.

Well...given we're talking about how Metcalf had to give up a year to Wrestle at Iowa, THAT would probably be the year. I believe it was 2007. The what... also feels kinda obvious. A National Title...

I thought it was more poor at developing talent rather than recruiting it...