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I think the real question is, which GOAT thread is the GOAT?

Piccinnini vs Lee was pretty epic. Picc was aggressive, Lee was patient but still so in control until the loudest pin(fall?) Gallagher Iba Arena has ever experienced!

Is Mark Perry still coaching there? I don't see him listed on their page. Anyone know what he's up to now? My wrestling claim is fame is having Mark Perry whoop my butt. We were at a similar weight but thankfully he was wrestling high school when I was in junior high. I like to think I helped him succeed.

Daton Fix's freshman year

And he wasn't called for stalling? That stuff is maddeningly inconsistent. I've found myself muttering to the tv during matches "better do something so you don't get a stall call". Should there be a "take x amount of shots per minute" metric or something to measure it? Perhaps two refs have to agree on a stall call? Or maybe you get two stall calls instead of one before they start giving your opponent points?

So here's a link to last year's NWCA Dual Championships https://nwcaonline.com/news/2023/5/25/national-wrestling-coaches-association-nwca-national-dual-meet-championships-headed-back-to-the-uni-dome.aspx "The National Duals were last held in the UNI-Dome in 2011. In 2024, the National Duals will feature 96 programs from the following six divisions: NAIA Men, NAIA Women, NCAA D2 Men, NCAA D3 Men, NCAA Women, and NCWA Men." Was NCAA D1 Men ever a part of this?

Killed it? So it existed until when? I honestly don't remember Dual Championships being a thing even back in the 90s-00s.

Indeed. Doucet is hard to beat. That's a good quality to have. Not sure if/when he can develop beyond that. Probably depends on how Christian Carroll performs next year.

Sooooo what's the history of dual championships then? Does anybody care to share or do y'all just want to debate the best way to spell words. lol

A lot of great points here. Maybe it's pessimistic of me to picture everybody working for something like double boots and sitting on top. It's what I would do but maybe folks would get better at defending it. It is interesting though how mat wrestling is what gives folkstyle its signature style but there's considerable disagreement about how mat wrestling should go. I do maintain that stall calls are still amazingly arbitrary. If neither wrestler shoots for a whole period, why are there no double stall calls? If one wrestler takes a bunch of half-hearted shots that would never land, why does their opponent get a stall call? Why is "fleeing the mat" a stall call, but "taking a shot that will clearly land you both out of bounds" not? Some other random ideas on rule changes for mat wrestling. Just for fun - not a serious advocate of any of them. 1. Give more than 1 RT point, but let bottom wrestler up after X amount of time. 2. Give more than 1 RT point, but change the starting position of top/bottom wrestler. 3. Allow for 1 nearfall point.

Seconded. He's one guy and a lot of people are involved in these decisions. However I honestly don't know the history of dual championships. Has there been one? If so, when/why did they stop? When discussions about a dual championship occur, who is in favor and who is against it?

I blinked and it was Doucet 3-0. Did he actually get a TD? Like all by himself? Without overtime?

I read your post above but I don’t see how it would lead to more action. That’s what I’ve been asking you to explain. If that is your explanation that’s fine, I just don’t see it. More riding time points means a strong top wrestler is going for boots, spiral, ankle ride, or similar every time so they can sit on top. There will be no action because the guy can’t get out. Currently that’s called as stalling for no action. Without stalling it’s a stalemate for no action. Several holds are just hard to get out of regardless of score or determination. In your scenario, Wrestler 1 gets an early 1st period TD, 3-0. They ride for 150 seconds, 8-0. Second period they choose top, stall their way to a ride out, it’s 12-0 to start the third period with one takedown in the match. More points, yes. But significantly changes the focus of folkstyle from takedowns to riding. And I don’t see how it would increase action overall.

That’s how I read it too. But curious to hear it out if he cares to explain.

Bro chill I am genuinely interested in your explanation. I’ve never heard anybody propose that multiple riding time points would increase action.

Can you explain how it would lead to more action?

More riding time points available would mean more stalemate calls with neither top or bottom wrestler progressing.

I see this too. Don't understand why there aren't more double stall calls. And don't get me started on the out-of-bounds stall calls. What gets called as stalling vs action is arbitrary AF.

125 Spratley #21 v. Colton Camacho #30 133 Fix #2 v. Santaniello #14 141 Jamison #6 v. Cole Matthews #27 149 Williams #21 V. Finn Solomon #22 157 Travis Teague #15 v. Jerad Keslar NR 165 Olejnik #5 v. Holden Heller #10 174 Thompson #23 v. Augustine #22 184 Plott #5v.Reece Heller #9 197 Surber? #11 v.Mac Stout #16 285 Doucet #16 v. Dayton Pitzner #10 Some storylines for grins... Will the Cowboys stay hot and get a shutout? Will Luke Surber be back? Can Jordan Williams wrestle a solid match without relying on funk? Will freshmen Troy Spratley and Brayden Thompson continue to separate themselves from the competition? Broadcast on ACC Network Extra. No idea what that means - maybe ESPN?

I haven't seen any stall calls on top even when the top guy is clearly doing nothing. One way to enforce what they want and remove the subjective nature of stall calls is to let the bottom guy up after x amount of time. Or what was discussed earlier, no riding time point unless you also have near fall points.

Hilarious to think that someone would lob an italian slur at him or that he'd hear a hispanic/black/asian slur and think it was for him. Next interview he'll be saying that somebody insulted his momma.

So is there any evidence that NC State is dry? Or just a repeated rumor.

Yeah. VV started strong at OSU last year, then gradually lost his offense. Really frustrating to watch.

It's kind of sad, really. The dad has probably dreamed of his 3 sons wrestling at the same program for their entire lives. Unfortunately he's raised a minimum of two sociopaths and the family appears to enjoy the death grip he has on their futures.

Anthony didn't have much to offer, it seems.