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Good point- wrestling is very challenging to rank because injuries are so common and influence records impactfully. I'd argue using prior All-American and NCAA match performances would be helpful but then you'd have to compare weight class changes, health histories, the amount of data needed to accurately assess this stuff borders on the most ridiculous manual labor ever. I recently spent 8 hours analyzing who was the best pound for pound wrestlers. Here is what I came up with; it was exhausting. I accidentally called Bonus victories "majors" in my rankings. 1.Gable Steveson (data adjusted for match count) Top 40 Majors 5 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 7 Tech Rank 1 Team Points Rank 3 Top 15 Majors 5 Bonus Rate 100 Best Major Ranking 7 2. Mitchell Mesenbrink Top 40 Majors 7 Top 15 Wins 1 Best Win Ranking 2 Tech Rank 1 Team Points Rank 3 Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 100 Best Major Ranking 2 3. Parker Keckeisen Top 40 Majors 8 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 4 Tech Rank 3 Team Points Rank 5 Top 15 Majors 3 Bonus Rate 90 Best Major Ranking 4 4. Carter Starocci Top 40 Majors 5 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 3 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 2 Top 15 Majors 3 Bonus Rate 94 Best Major Ranking 9 5. Stephen Buchanan Top 40 Majors 8 Top 15 Wins 7 Best Win Ranking 3 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 4 Top 15 Majors 3 Bonus Rate 79 Best Major Ranking 9 6. Wyatt Hendrickson Top 40 Majors 6 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 5 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 1 Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 89 Best Major Ranking 5 7. Josh Barr (1 loss to 1st ranked) Top 40 Majors 7 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 2 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 8 Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 83 Best Major Ranking 7 8. Jesse Mendez (1 loss to 1st ranked) Top 40 Majors 6 Top 15 Wins 7 Best Win Ranking 5 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 4 Bonus Rate 75 Best Major Ranking 6 9. Dean Hamiti Top 40 Majors 7 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 10 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 10 Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 74 Best Major Ranking 10 10. Michael Caliendo (1 loss to 1st ranked) Top 40 Majors 8 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 7 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 74 Best Major Ranking 9 11. Max McEnelly Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 7 Tech Rank 3 Team Points Rank 7 Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 83 Best Major Ranking 9 12. Keegan O’Toole Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 2 Best Win Ranking 2 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 92 Best Major Ranking 10 13. Shane Van Ness (1 loss to 4th ranked) Top 40 Majors 5 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 3 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 3 Bonus Rate 78 Best Major Ranking 3 14. Matt Ramos Top 40 Majors 2 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 3 Tech Rank 2 Team Points Rank 6 Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 78 Best Major Ranking 11 15. Caleb Henson Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 3 Best Win Ranking 4 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 75 Best Major Ranking 14 16. Greg Kerkvliet Top 40 Majors 2 Top 15 Wins 3 Best Win Ranking 11 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 81 Best Major Ranking 15 17. Owen Trephan Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 2 Best Win Ranking 6 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 9 Top 15 Majors 0 Bonus Rate 78 Best Major Ranking 28 18. Brock Hardy (3 losses to 1st, 8th & 9th ranked) Top 40 Majors 4 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 5 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate Best Major Ranking 5 19. Terell Barraclough (1 loss to 30th ranked) Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 4 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 0 Bonus Rate 58 Best Major Ranking 18 20. Isaac Trumble (3 losses to 2nd, 2nd and 6th ranked) Top 40 Majors 7 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 6 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 68 Best Major Ranking 6 21. Peyton Hall (1 loss to 3rd ranked) Top 40 Majors 4 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 7 Tech Rank 9 Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 0 Bonus Rate 59 Best Major Ranking 17 Honorable Mention: Mullen, Cardenas, Alirez, Kasak, Plott, pinto, Ferrari, Beard, Haines, little, Stout

agreed- this guy defeated Arujau once, he shouldn't need it easy to win one

Here is my contribution as an intern using some of what you guys gave and some extra. Top 40 majors refers to # matches against top 40 ending in major or better win. All bold items refer to number of matches. These are my pound for pound dominance rankings- feel free to compare/contrast opinions. They measure overall ability to dominate opponents, advance and win bonus. 1.Gable Steveson (data projected for low match count) Top 40 Majors 5 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 7 Tech Rank 1 Team Points Rank 3 Top 15 Majors 5 Bonus Rate 100 Best Major Ranking 7 2. Mitchell Mesenbrink Top 40 Majors 7 Top 15 Wins 1 Best Win Ranking 2 Tech Rank 1 Team Points Rank 3 Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 100 Best Major Ranking 2 3. Parker Keckeisen Top 40 Majors 8 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 4 Tech Rank 3 Team Points Rank 5 Top 15 Majors 3 Bonus Rate 90 Best Major Ranking 4 4. Carter Starocci Top 40 Majors 5 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 3 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 2 Top 15 Majors 3 Bonus Rate 94 Best Major Ranking 9 5. Stephen Buchanan Top 40 Majors 8 Top 15 Wins 7 Best Win Ranking 3 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 4 Top 15 Majors 3 Bonus Rate 79 Best Major Ranking 9 6. Wyatt Hendrickson Top 40 Majors 6 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 5 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 1 Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 89 Best Major Ranking 5 7. Josh Barr (1 loss to 1st ranked) Top 40 Majors 7 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 2 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 8 Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 83 Best Major Ranking 7 8. Jesse Mendez (1 loss to 1st ranked) Top 40 Majors 6 Top 15 Wins 7 Best Win Ranking 5 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 4 Bonus Rate 75 Best Major Ranking 6 9. Dean Hamiti Top 40 Majors 7 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 10 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 10 Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 74 Best Major Ranking 10 10. Michael Caliendo (1 loss to 1st ranked) Top 40 Majors 8 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 7 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 74 Best Major Ranking 9 11. Max McEnelly Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 7 Tech Rank 3 Team Points Rank 7 Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 83 Best Major Ranking 9 12. Keegan O’Toole Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 2 Best Win Ranking 2 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 92 Best Major Ranking 10 13. Shane Van Ness (1 loss to 4th ranked) Top 40 Majors 5 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 3 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 3 Bonus Rate 78 Best Major Ranking 3 14. Matt Ramos Top 40 Majors 2 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 3 Tech Rank 2 Team Points Rank 6 Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 78 Best Major Ranking 11 15. Caleb Henson Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 3 Best Win Ranking 4 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate 75 Best Major Ranking 14 16. Greg Kerkvliet Top 40 Majors 2 Top 15 Wins 3 Best Win Ranking 11 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 81 Best Major Ranking 15 17. Owen Trephan Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 2 Best Win Ranking 6 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank 9 Top 15 Majors 0 Bonus Rate 78 Best Major Ranking 28 18. Brock Hardy (3 losses to 1st, 8th & 9th ranked) Top 40 Majors 4 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 5 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 2 Bonus Rate Best Major Ranking 5 19. Terell Barraclough (1 loss to 30th ranked) Top 40 Majors 3 Top 15 Wins 5 Best Win Ranking 4 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 0 Bonus Rate 58 Best Major Ranking 18 20. Isaac Trumble (3 losses to 2nd, 2nd and 6th ranked) Top 40 Majors 7 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 6 Tech Rank N/A Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 1 Bonus Rate 68 Best Major Ranking 6 21. Peyton Hall (1 loss to 3rd ranked) Top 40 Majors 4 Top 15 Wins 4 Best Win Ranking 7 Tech Rank 9 Team Points Rank N/A Top 15 Majors 0 Bonus Rate 59 Best Major Ranking 17 Honorable Mention: Mullen, Cardenas, Alirez, Kasak, Plott, pinto, Ferrari, Beard, Haines, little, Stout

Her hips don't lie but Jimmy does

Meredith- 2,4,2 Eierman- 5,4,3,2 Sasso-2,5,2 Micha Jordan- 12, 4, 6, 2 McKenna- 3,12, 3, 2 Micic- 4,2,3, 12 (at fat weight class) WICK- 3,4,3 Megaludis, C Clark, Ashnault, Molinaro, Tomasello were very strong multi-AA with just one title. I am working on compiling wrestling stats of the greats from recent time.

I wonder what the rule is if you're tangled like a pretzel, you have the leg, the other guy has your arm pulled and the other guy kicks over and wrap 2 boots in for a second while on the mat. It felt like no control to a neutral viewer who doesn't know criteria. Slow match but wow they saved some explosiveness for OT. O'Toole looks small but wow his technique is solid!

Reminds me why I stopped being a boxing fan overnite: De La Hoya and Bob Arum conspiring to avoid putting a single undefeated fighter at risk for three years to try and create a single mega fight as well as Floyd Mayweather ducking Pacman in his prime.

Reminds me why I stopped being a boxing fan overnite: De La Hoya and Bob Arum conspiring to avoid putting a single undefeated fighter at risk for three years to try and create a single mega fight as well as Floyd Mayweather ducking Pacman in his prime.

I love the stock; I liked it at 65, at 61 it's an insult!

Wow and yet 2021 had a beautifully boring 133 bracket

Coach K at Duke?

Lewan was at a tough weight, Amine too... Scott- 5th to R12 Franek-4th to 8th Robb- 6th to 7th Andonian- 7th to 6th (used to the new weight) Blockhus- 8th to R16 (moved up a weight) That said, they did stink it up regular season too. Was the 3 point takedown their kryptonite to their boring matches? After all, only a master like Fix can fix his way into being a repeat offender runner up when the rules change against him.

He'd rather destroy Iowa in the tourney than have to run duals against 'em I'm guessing!

Quarters at NU were brutal. I didn't think it would matter much but my GPA at a semester school was 3.8 and at a quarter school was 3.5 after 2 years at each. The falloff was dramatic and that sleep deprivation with the short breaks felt bad. The kids felt more intelligent at NU also. I know a couple kids with 3.0-3.1 GPA who scored in the top 1% of the country on the MCAT and got into medical schools.

This doesn't bother me at all. I did eighth grade a year early because my father wanted me to be a rich productive member of society a year early; I entered high school at 60 pounds and wrestled with a 28 to 30 pound deficit freshman and soph year, and a 8 pound deficit Junior year. I also was the last of my friends to party at the college bars! Senior year I kicked some butt- weighed 5 to 10 pounds over 103 each week. Wrestling underweight stunts your development.

Thanks for this good idea! It was fun.

He was great this year. He likely could have been a R12 guy even with the stacked 197 class.

I felt like officials were very generous to Figueroa on the stalling calls. The guy bored me just a bit less than Lewan and Fix do. That said, what a gauntlet he walked through over the last four weeks after looking out of shape and disastrous two thirds of the season! I will be cheering for Ayala to beat him next year.

I said to my nephew "Haines makes Lewan look like a dwarf"

125 Palmer 22 133 Farber 19 141 Matthews 18 149 Abas 26 157 Mauller 17 165 Filipowicz 19 174 Pasiuk 18 184 Soldano 21 197 Novak 17 285 Pitzer 21

Is anyone interested in doing a pool and or confidence ranking for the tourney? I think some weight classes like 125/133/157/165/197 look fun. Here are some ideas we could do for free, $5 or $10 entries per bracket. Tell me which idea # you like, if any and value you'd want to play for. Idea 1- Fill out the bracket for one weight class. On the championship bracket get points equal to wrestler's seed for every correct match advancement. On consolation bracket get points equal to half of wrestler's seed for every correct match advancement. This could also be done using growing points more traditionally per round ignoring seeds. Bracket completion has flaws given all the possibilities and misplaced losses/shifts between championship and consolation bracket though. Idea 2- Choose 5 to 10 wrestlers for one weight, assign them confidence rating. For 8 wrestlers assign 8 (most valuable) to 1 (least). Multiply the confidence rating by a point value per place, for example : Finish Point Value Round 12: 1 point 8th place 2 points 7th 3 6th 4 5th 5 4th 8 3rd 10 2nd 12 1st 16 We can choose # of wrestlers and point values. For example, if I assigned Hidlay an 8 confidence score and he placed 2nd I would get 96 points, 8*12 Idea 3- choose a bundle of 6 to 8 wrestlers for one weight class where their seeds must add up above some number. Like 6 wrestlers the seeds must add up above 28, for instance. Scoring similar to idea 2 except without the confidence multipliers Let me know what you guys think.

I enjoyed this match

How good is Strickenberger ? I haven’t seen him wrestle but his resume impresses. Time to pull up some YouTube for me!

These stand out in the realm of the impossible- like 0.1% chance Glazier beats Hidlay Smith > Stanich Provo > Ayala And this one like 2% chance Sotelo > Volk

vito is just dangerous