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I'm taking the over. Of course this also factors in needing to get admitted, possible suspensions, etc. But one thing that does not seem to be discussed much from Sunday's dual was Voinovich again looked underwhelming. I think Anthony is at 149 for them for B10's

Do you think there was a chance they overturned the no TD call for Echemendia? I don't. Or are you more saying you think he has a better chance to win in SV if he gets a breather?

Agree. What was the biggest mistake? Gotta be not knowing the riding time at 174 right especially if they were saying just to ride? I mean in addition to reading the scoreboard wrong, how in the heck could they have thought he had RT there? He was getting majored until midway through the third period. Honestly I do still think going for a turn there was probably just as likely as getting another TD with 15 seconds left. I just rewatched and it took him 20 seconds to get that one and Kennedy was already running away. But for the last 3 or 4 seconds he just laid on top, so he may not have even tried as hard for the turn based on the direction from the coaches.

Unless we care about duals now, Vak’s statement is true for the team anyway. Arnold probably only scores a few points at 184 this year, and then you lose a year from him

I believe they said 182 on FRL

Agreed

Hmmm

Yeah I don’t think Kennedy would do all that well at 184, but he’s likely their best option if Arnold is at 174, and especially if Swafford is out. But I’d guess Kennedy is likely a better option than Swafford anyway.

I doubt it changes the bottom guy’s strategy much IMO. I think most guys aren’t necessarily “trying” for reversals, they kinda just happen based on the flow of the match. I could see the old saying “1 not 2!” mostly going away though with some top guys maybe hanging on a little longer rather than giving up the 1. Could result in some good scrambles

I’m sure it did. This was discussed on FRL. I’m certain we will see less guys choosing bottom than in years past. But on that note, I’ve been thinking about @russelscout’s position and while I acknowledge stalling to protect a lead is an issue, I really don’t think the 3 pt TD changes it much. The only difference IMO is in the past assuming you went into the 2nd period up 2-1, you’d probably have to get an escape in order to implement that stalling strategy, and now you don’t.

If I’m Tom, I have Arnold and Kennedy wrestle off for 174. If Arnold wins, he goes and Kennedy to 184. If Arnold loses, I’d lean towards redshirting him unless Gabe himself would rather wrestle 184 than redshirt

To be fair, neither Berge or Carlson have wrestled a match yet this season. So does not fit the "duck" definition.

Don't remember if anything in 2nd period or if timeclock issues. It was Woods/Echemendia where they stopped it with 1 second though if that's what you're thinking of

The officials reviewed that call though

Agree overall, but what did Dresser mess up at 157?

Yes, but the way Feldkamp wrestled last night, not sure he beats Glazier.

What were the refs looking in the rulebook about towards the end?

Yeah it seems the main “outcoaching” Brands did was using Kennedy and Arnold at 174/184. But they’re likely their best 2 guys there, so it’s not like it was rocket science to do that. I think people just weren’t totally sure if Kennedy was available. And if Swafford wasn’t, that likely made the decision even easier. That said, Dresser really didn’t do anything that would show him as outcoaching Brands…

Sure, could be 30 years, could be 1.

Yes, “in theory” is of course just a guess and a lot can change by next year. I don’t like either of them either. Just saying I don’t think next year’s teams will be all that different especially when you consider tonight’s results. Anthony likely isn’t beating Swiderski or Paniro if he’s not in jail, and Iowa won 184 (Angelo) and 197 (AJ) tonight. Like I said, could come down to Kueter vs Bastida. Or not, no one knows.

Here is the Chittum replay

Lol you seem triggered. Long time until next year, maybe Iowa gets some more portal guys

Check the video a couple posts up. I agree with no TD, but it’s awfully close