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A few guys not (yet) qualified off the top of my head. Feel free to add to the list: Suriano Starrocci Pantaleo Vincenzo Joseph Kerkviliet David Carr Eierman Morgan MacIntosh Jacob Warner Mekkhi Lewis

You can tell that Lee is as strong as an ox. If you've seen him to do pull ups, for example, you know his strength is off the charts

As someone pointed out on the PSU forum: 86kg Olympic team trials will have at least 5 past ,current or future Nittany Lions. DT, Brooks, Hall, Dean and Mirasola. Dean and Mirasola are all but guaranteed a spot as McFadden suffered a nasty ankle injury in his semi against Dieringer and is almost certain to forfeit out. To which we can add: 74KG will likely have around 5 or more guys associated with NLWC: Dake, Nolf, Messenbrink, maybe Zain (if he goes up), maybe Starrocci, likely "Bear Claw" and/or Facundo who are in consolation semis. 57KG: Gilman, Nico, possibly Lilledahl 65 KG: Nick Lee, Bartlett, Zain (if he descends) 97KG: Snyder 125: no one yet ... Kerklivet if he wins NCAAs Plus PSU has "home field" advantage since trials are at Penn State

My own view is that it is possible but probably unlikely given that (a) he would be moving up in weight and giving up size; (b) he would very likely have to first get past either Borroughs or Nolf (who should be seeded on opposite sides); and then, if that happened (c) get past Dake in the best of two of three. My initial point was more about what happens after the Olympics. Zain's best weight is clearly 70KG, where he has proven to be a force, and it would also be good for team USA to be there. And if he goes up, he won't shed muscle and strength which he would likely lose going down to 65KG (which is about 6 pounds less that what he competed at during college.) But, hey, it is of course up to none of us, and I think he has a sense of whether he can hang with Nolf and maybe even Dake or not since those guys have been teammates and in the NLWC room for a while as well as on the same training teams. He's also lost to Nick Lee at 65KG the last time they wrestled, and Bartlett will be there as well because he qualified for trials today.

Well, the harder task might be making the team at 74KG. If he was able to do that, I bet he could medal.

Why not? Because he would be small? Perhaps. As I see it, though, the problem is that he has really filled out as a 70KG guy and won a world championship and a silver medal at that weight. If he shrinks his body down, he's going to lose a lot of muscle mass and that could hurt him if he goes back to 70KG and continues to compete. If he goes up, yes, it's a long shot to make the team, but he can come back down more easily to 70KG and won't have to starve himself in the process.

Dake, Nolf, Messenbrink, and either Facundo or "Bear Claw" or both. If Starroci goes down, that could make either 5 or 6. If Zain goes up, that could make either 6 or 7.

It's really vile. They do it at the 30 second break, which is one thing, but to do it during the action, is pathetic. Hey FLO, wake up. This is beyond embarrassing and reprehensible. Do you want to put an advertisement on the moon when we look up at it. Or tattoo one on a child's forehead? What's next?

Are semifinals at 5 PM EST?

Nope. His plan is to win NCAAs and qualify automatically. He's said so. Plus I don't think it makes sense for him to drop all that weight during the season. He is stuck between a Dake (rock) and a DT (hard place). Nowhere to go.

Yes. top five. And if you are already qualified and finish in top five you take a spot from someone else. So, Spencer Lee, for example, can steal a spot

Zain was never pinned in college (or high school) but he was caught and pinned in freestyle at Pan Ams when he was running either a leg lace or a gut wrench. RBY was pinned at the Southern Scuffle, not in a dual. He was ahead at that time by 8-2

But could any of these guys have beaten Milo of Croton? Milo would have certainly won the feats of strength competition during the upcoming "Festivus for the Rest of Us" celebrations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_of_Croton

It's the last day to register if you want to be seeded. I see zero guys from the Penn State's starting lineup registered. I thought the plan (set forth by Cael) was to create a light schedule at the beginning of the year so that guys could train and compete to qualify for Olympic Trials. Thus far, no Bartlett, no Kerk, no Starrocci, no Truax, no Van Ness (out with injury), no one. BB, Truax, GK, and even CStarr can't simply assume they will win NCAAs and get the automatic qualifier. There are actually a few recruits registered—e.g., Sealey, Nasdeo, the Mirasola brothers.

They could still let the action continue if one of the wrestlers is in bounds and close to a takedown or before the edge of the mat is reached (touched by hand or foot). There are so many takedowns that seem to occur before both wrestlers fully go out of bounds, and these are counted with the early whistle blows. Further, many high school guys now wrestle freestyle as well, and the rules about takedowns are completely different (e.g, finishing out of bounds and even off the mat with a move that started inside or on it.) Simple solution: bigger mats. I don't know if there is any empirical information on average high school gym size, but certainly some (many) gyms can allow for an additional few feet of mat attached the already small mats. Wrestling is often way too slow (and too conservative) to sensibly and constructively update the sport: e.g., singlets, mat size, hair cuts, allowing girls to compete, scoring problems, etc. It might be changing incrementally, but it seems at times still stuck in a 1950's administrative mindset while the wrestlers themselves (and the wrestling) move along much faster: funk, recourse to videos for training, the increase in clubs, and so on.

Cunningham gets 3rd at 157. A very good tournament. Only lost a close one in the semis by 1 point.

High school wrestling needs to adopt college out of bound rules. I don't understand why they continue with what they are doing.

Do consolations last longer than the 12 days of x-mas? They go on and on and on .....

Here's a preview of the match:

You might want to show him a video on the Dunning-Kruger effect. If that doesn't work, be sure to videotape the match so that those of us who appreciate the occasional dose of Schadenfreude can watch.

Alirez vs. Van Ness would be a great match. The latter indicated he is going to be at Sr. Nationals. I think some a bunch of the PSU guys haven't registered yet.

Thanks. Are names available with the numbers?

This is the only list of registrants I've seen so far for Senior Nationals. Anyone have a more updated list or know where to find one? I think registration for seeding ends in less than a week (on the 10th): Men's Freestyle Weight First Name Last Name State Team 57 Lee Celestino TX Cowboy/Cowgirl Wrestling Club 57 Jakob Lyons OK Oklahoma 57 Cael Nasdeo PA Nittany Lion Wrestling Club 57 William Sprouse CA Central Valley High School Wrestling 57 Devan Turner IN Indiana RTC 65 Jawid Azimi TX Paradigm Wrestling 65 Chase Daudelin NY New York 65 Nathaniel Johnson AZ Arizona 65 Aydin Matanane OK Oklahoma 74 Hassan Ajami MI Michigan 74 Garrett Bass OH Green Machine Wrestling Club 74 Gabe Blough KS Spire Wrestling Club 74 Quentin LaCour TX Rise RTC 74 Joseph Sealey PA Pennsylvania 74 Michael Tantillo TX Warrior Trained Wrestling 74 Isaiah White IL Indiana RTC 86 Jared Fekete MI Marines 86 Alex Hamm FL Florida 86 Connor Mirasola WI Askren Wrestling Academy 86 Andrew Morgan NY Navy Wrestling Club 86 Martin Verhaeghe KS Tiger Den Wrestling Club 97 Austin Craig WA 10 Year Active Athlete List 97 Eulogio Rosino Dalmeida NE Nebraska 97 Cole Mirasola WI Askren Wrestling Academy 125 Malik Jones FL Florida

There is precedent: Nolf, DT, Zain, et. al.