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excellent point

Yeah. He is a moran. Did a D3 coach not vote for Yianni either?

I hear ya. But I also think the Flo guys play fast and loose with their mantra that rankings are not predictions. For example, they use them to produce a prediction about who will score what at the tournament.

How? He doesn't vote.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2022-23D1MWR_CoachesRankingRoster.pdf

Maybe. I went back and forth on that. I am guessing it was a case that they had 13 of 14 and still threw out the high and low rather than treat the missing vote as the low.

Not a voter for 133

He did say no one would remember what RBY did in ten years. Maybe he was just talking about himself.

Same with Yianni Diakomihalis who is also at 363 and third on the list

RBY got 363 points. Assume #1 seed gets 33 points and the #33 seed gets 1 point (Lee got 396 = 12 * 33) The high and low are thrown out leaving 12 totals to sum 363/11 = 33. So someone left him off the ballot.

Atlantic Coast Conference Tony Robie 133 Atlantic Coast Conference Steve Garland 133 Big 12 Conference Damion Hahn 133 Big 12 Conference Doug Schwab 133 Big Ten Conference Tony Ersland 133 Big Ten Conference Cael Sanderson 133 Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association Zach Tanelli 133 Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association Jason Borelli 133 Mid-American Conference Marcus Gordon 133 Mid-American Conference John Stutzman 133 Pac-12 Conference Zeke Jones 133 Pac-12 Conference Luke Smith 133 Southern Conference Scotti Sentes 133 Southern Conference JohnMark Bentley 133 I think I found the culprit

https://www.ncaa.com/_flysystem/public-s3/files/D1MenRanking_020923.pdf The seeds are determined by 14 coaches per weight, 2 from each of the 7 conferences. Different coaches vote for different weights. The only way I can think of that gets you RBY at #3 is if someone left him off their list completely. Smells fishy.

130 maps to the modern 141. Below are how the weights map through time These are the guys who won 3 of 3 or 3 of 4 titles at 133 and its predecessor weights. Not sure how you want to treat Logan Stieber who won 2 of his 4 at 133 or Barry Davis who won 2 of his 3 there:

Last night it was a touch of the grape. Otherwise, putting the finishing touches on some Angel's Envy.

Of the most likely I think the least likely is Keegan O'Toole. Not a senior, has all his ligaments, and only four pinfalls so far this year in a weight class that has two other returning champs. For me Mason Parris outpaces him by being a senior and having eleven pins of the fall variety this year.

I forgot to include one other bit of Hodge trivia. The fan vote started in 2013 and is worth two first place votes totaling eight points. It has never decided the winner of the Hodge, but it has decided the runner-up on at least two occasions, both involving Ed Ruth. In 2013, Ruth won the fan vote to out-point Jordan Oliver 89-88 for second behind Kyle Dake. In 2014, the system got its revenge on Ruth as Logan Stieber won the fan vote to take second with 107 points to Ruth's 102 points.

Why so negative? I say yes, Iowa.

Could. See the exception to the exception.

Flo, Intermat, and WIN have each had 6 of their pre-season #1's take a lose and they have changed their #1 in 4 weights as a result. Wrestlestat has had 5 of their pre-season #1's take a lose (they are the only ones with Mason Parris as a pre-season #1) and they have changed their #1 in 2 weights. This could be Wrestlestat failing to react to new information, or it could be their failure to over-react to new information.

Is the Hodge Trophy a pinners award? Yes. Except when it is not. Oh, and not really. The first step is to become a Hodge finalist Here the obvious, but unstated criteria is to win an NCAA D1 title in the year you are to be chosen. Exception: Great stories for non-D1 wrestlers. Exception to the Exception: This exception no longer applies. Author's note: Can we just agree right this minute to ignore 2020? I already do not know what you are talking about. Now that you have won a title, do you need to be undefeated? Yes. Exception: No. The only D1 wrestler to win the Hodge with a loss was Brent Metcalf in 2008. That year there were six finalists, but among them only Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh) was undefeated. Unfortunately for Gavin he had only 5 pins to Metcalf’s 12 pins. From the WIN Magazine article, “Metcalf was selected over Gavin and other one-loss wrestlers primarily because of his number of pins, dominance in bonus-point wins and strength of schedule.” OK, so it is a pinners award? Clearly Exception: Clearly not…..in the 12 seasons prior to the current voting structure for the award where there were also multiple finalists mentioned (1995, 2001 – 2011), on three occasions (25%) the winner did not have more pins than at least one of the other finalists. And in the 11 years since the current voting structure was established, on four occasions (36%) the winner did not have the most pins among finalists culminating in 2022 when Gable Steveson won the Hodge with one single, solitary, lone, unitary, non-plural pin. Does that mean it is also a career achievement award? Not always. Exception: But kinda. Sorta. Sometimes. Back in the early days there was some sense of that. After losing in 1995, Les Gutches won as a senior in 1996 with only 8 pins. And in 2016 sophomore Zain Retherford lost a close one to senior Alex Dieringer (who had himself come in second the prior year to senior Logan Stieber, who had himself come in second the prior year to senior David Taylor) in spite of having more pins, more tech falls and a higher bonus percentage. Thems the breaks, kid. You’re young. You’ll have other chances (spoiler: he did). What does it all mean for this year’s crop? Al Davis summed it up best, “Just win, baby.” But what if I have already lost? What Al also said, but no one heard, was that after you win make sure to have a compelling story to sway voters, especially if you lost at any point in your last year. Something like “I became the fifth / sixth wrestler to win four titles in an illustrious career that included some notable events like wrestling through freshly torn ligaments, for example.” So Spencer is the leader in the clubhouse among likely finalists with his unbeaten senior year to date that includes seven pins. Does Roman Bravo-Young’s 3 pins, 3 titles, and 0 loses trump Yianni Diakomihalis’ 1 pin, 1 lose, and 4 titles? Got me. But I think I am going to lean 4 titles over 3. Maybe it depends on the NCAA finals display. That leaves O’Toole and Starocci. Sorry, young’uns but you picked a bad year to have a great year. Oh, and Parris. Yeah, not gonna happen, but we love ya none the less.

Careful. If you type his name three times, he appears.

Emphasis on originally

One. He beat Jared Franek (6 seed) in the blood round. Before that he beat Wyatt Sheets (31 seed) on the back side.

not in our hearts