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You are doing dumb pretty well, but I think you can do better.

He was being compared to Barry Bonds lying about taking steroids. It was a fair question. What he tweeted in December and what he said this week were two different things, but there was a lot of time that passed too. You were trying to play gotcha.

What was the biggest upset of this tournament based on Pablo? Or maybe top 5?

He is a Rutgers fan. This is some Dean Peterson induced hysteria.

I don't play that game.

silly

I am not arguing that PSU is better (see above), I am arguing against people using this situation to say they are worse.

I agree that the virtue signaling that goes on with respect to transfers is silly. There are too many who feel my team's transfers are virtuous and everyone else's are villainous. Silly. A big part of my problem with that world view is it smacks of Stockholm Syndrome. The NCAA rules were antiquated and anti-athlete. Now that they are pro-athlete people pine for the good ol' days.

Oh, I think it is a huge difference. The underlying theme of poaching is that you are stealing from another program. You are turning the head of someone who would otherwise not be interested. Welsh seems to already have fallen out of love with tOSU. He made that pretty clear. He just had to wait for the portal to open to formalize that statement.

I would not call it a poach even if they did contact him before he went in the portal. He made it pretty clear he was done with Ohio State based on what happened with this season. Seems like that had been festering for a while.

They do not include the all-star. The Missouri wrestler had been injured in the prior match and was not ducking. Not sure what happened with Binghamton.

He also wrote about it on the message board recently. Good discussion and beneficial to anyone interested in wrestlers being honored. When I first came up with the concept back in 1994, I sat down with Dan Hodge (my first book was "Two Guys Named Dan" in 1976 and we became very good friends) and told him of my plans to create something similar to the Heisman Trophy, to draw more media attention and to give college wrestlers something extra to shoot for. Dan endorsed the idea and said if I named it after him, he would like pinning to be an essential part. In 1956, Dan won three national titles (collegiate, freestyle and Greco-Roman) in two weeks time by pinning all 13 foes. I quickly agreed that pinning would be a main factor. But since then, Bryan Van Kley (who bought WIN from me many years ago) and I have tried to "keep up with the times" by including dominance to mean techs and majors, as well as pins. And we consult with many former coaches and leaders of the sport who are on the voting committee and try to listen to what fans are saying (WKN and JB, in particular) and some of my longtime friends who have been involved with the sport for over half a century. Bryan and I are proud that over 20,000 fans vote on line each year and that all the colleges that have a winner play it up big, both at the annual wrestling banquet and at a football game in the fall, often with 70,000 fans in attendance. And we greatly appreciate our sponsor Asics. The goal was always to make wrestling more visible and to honor those who excel at Mankind's Oldest Sport. -- Mike Chapman We are lucky to have him on the board.

No, I think the committee vote was 30-26-3, and the fan vote is another 5 for Hedrickson, for 64 total votes. If you go back through the WIN press releases you see they mention 64 total votes in 2023. In 2024 and this year they talk about 59 votes and then add "in addition" when talking about the fan vote. The only thing that is confusing is that this year should have had one more total voter than last year with the addition of Brooks. But maybe there is one less retired coach, or journalist.

The way WIN calculates dominance, Hendrickson was at 5.26, Mesenbrink was at 5.11, and Starocci was at 4.88. They include inj/def. Hendrickson had 1, Mesenbrink had 3, and Starocci had 1.

correct

I think he is wrong.

He means for the season, not just the tournament.

He makes his money in the attention economy, but he is just sooooo awkward at it.

Never mind. That was the vote before the fan vote, not after.

I have all my stuff adjusted to today's scoring rules. That is also why we differed on 30.5 vs 29.5.

Or Nick Lee

Thanks. Did they give you a sense of the structure? There are some here who think it is a bag of cash and some who have speculated that it is a package of things like tuition, room, board, car lease, cash, etc. that can be assigned values that add up to the headline number.

what is the source of your understanding?

Suriano?

A couple of minor edits: Taylor scored 99 to Nolf's 98 Taylor's highest single tournament score was 29.5