PortaJohn

Then Bruce Baumgartner is the Goat

Pritzlaff was the other multi time champ. Thats 7 champs (14 titles) compared to 125 5 champs (12 titles). I definitely missed the mark on 125. I should've gone with my first hunch 149. I think it's only (7 titles).

You're correct about Imar but Taylor won both his titles at 165

Oof - Just off the top of my head I can list these multi time champs at 165- Taylor, Cenzo, KOT, Dierenger, Hendricks, Perry, Imar...Who am I missisng?

Good chance. If Yianni and Zain didn't man 149 for a few years that would've been my pick. I think Metcalf was the only mutli time champ at that weight prior to them

I'm rolling with 125

You can't proclaim someone as the Goat that lost his spot and had to move to a non olympic weight. You also can't proclaim someone as the Goat that didn't even medal during one of his olympic competitions. EDIT: Not going to delete it and hide from my second point but it's off the mark. Satiev didn't medal in 2000 and many consider him the Goat

Hard to imagine anyone winning 4 titles at 125. @Wrestleknownothing that would be a fun thread. Stats on which weight class has the most parity in champions since 1998.

John Smith is and people seem to forget Bruce won four Olympic Medals (G,G,S,B) and 9 world medals 3 G, 3 S, & 3 Bronze.

He is in no way shape or form the GOAT

There are only 4 ingredients to a cinnabon. Heavy mix or PSU/Iowa, splash of Michigan, and a sprinkle of tOSU. But, I heard in the corporate board meeting they're coming out with a new mix to include the Pistol Pete

Hard to imagine Facundo at 157. Heard he was struggling with the cut to 165 back in '23. But guys will have to make sacrifices to make the PSU lineup

Just a hunch. Starocci goes '84. Barr goes '97. Levi starts the year in Redshirt. Facundo gets the go @174 but is on a short leash

Fair point. Levi's ability to stay heavy with his hips and use his strength is a problem for KOT. Just not at the point calling Levi the clear favorite.

Haines matches up well against KOT in Freestyle. Without the exposure threat KOT will be able to get to his scrambles in Folk. A rematch would look a lot different. I wouldn't put money on it. Think it's a true toss-up

I'd still put him as the slight favorite. I never trust backside results in a freestyle tournament but Levi is right there with him if he wrestles this year. Interesting to see Hamiti go this year with Taylor as his coach. It's wild that Hamiti and O'Toole have yet to face off in college unless I'm forgetting a match. Rocco Welsh will be in the mix but at this point it's hard to gauge his ceiling. Is old man Brands still talking about going 174? He'll be a tough out for anyone at NCAA's. Doubt Kennedy or Arnold will have much for Keegan.

The Peter Thiel controversy is just noise from the left when Nate Silver doesn't present data advantageous to Kamala. No different than the conspiracies Trump supporters claim when numbers aren't advantageous to him. Nate's out there taking fire from both sides. That's the greatest tell tale sign he's doing a wonderful job.

Not cynical at all. My reasoning is based on data. Trump lost his debates to Clinton. He also lost to Biden. Won one election. Lost the other. People know who they are going to vote for at the start of the election cycle.

No Ukraine is not close to winning. They probably have a less than 10% chance of winning unless NATO intervened and then their chances would skyrocket to 100%. The Russian military is dogshit. Yes, Trump is correct in saying this will only continue with more deaths with no end in sight. But, the nuclear threat is exaggerated

Despite the rhetoric, Putin is more measured than how he's portrayed in the US media. Ukraine just set off drone attacks in Moscow. They invaded the Kursk region. Has one nuclear warhead been launched? This is despite all the nuclear saber rattling we've heard from the kremlin over the last few years.

It was one of his better moments. As much as I'd like to see Ukraine win it's almost a foregone conclusion that this will end in a deal. Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to sustain this for the long haul and Putin is willing to kill every last Russian soldier to save face. Not totally buying the nuclear threat. There are too many oligarchs that want to go yachting during the summer in the Mediterranean

I appreciate you not bringing up the polling! Very sensitive to this topic as a former poli sci graduate. I will have to disagree with you on her being a quality candidate. I don't believe she's good at all. She struggled to get in running for the AG position and she got booted out of the DNC primary faster than the 32 seed at NCAA's. I personally believe Trump's winning this and I blame the DNC or Biden for not stepping aside earlier and having a primary. They had some decent contenders on the bench

They don't mean anything. The race has always been the same race since the start of the election season. An unpopular incumbency vs an unpopular former president. Trump has an electoral advantage and the two missing ingredients are A) how fresh is abortion on the minds of suburban women in swing states and b) how well is Trump actually over performing in the polls which is a real thing. And please no one bring up 2022 polling. National elections don't poll like midterms

It's comical how voters who already have their minds made up lie to themselves that debates somehow sway the "other" voters

She was She didn't Impossible Facts The debate won't change anything. It's relevance is as fake as conventions