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This might help seeds. I don't think that's a good enough reason to stop the little wrestling media we have from publishing rankings (which are probably their #1 generator of traffic).

I think kids should do what's best for them. And I won't tell this kid what's best for him based on my rooting interests or what I think is best for college wrestling.

They have Merrill who beat Salazar and lost 2-0 to Buchanon while RSing his true freshman year. They have no room and no need for Carrol at 197.

Thanks for giving us the pretend insiders view of what he's doing.

I think this entire forum is one or two idiots with a dozen screen names each having a conversation with themselves. It's sad that this is what we get after the national tournament.

Jamison is at 141. There are far bigger holes.

They have an actual dominance statistic and Messenbrink didn't have a more dominant season. You can make a good argument for Starocci. You can't make a good argument for Messenbrink by criteria. You have to ignore the criteria to make him better than 3rd.

This is a huge stretch and not sure where it comes from. According to the Hodge website; Record is a wash. Pins is advantage Hendrickson. Dominance is advantage Hendrickson. Past credentials is advantage Starocci and MM. Quality of competition is advantage Starocci and Hendrickson. Sportsmanship is no advantage anywhere. You can reasonably say Starocci is more deserving according to the conversation. You could also reasonably say Hendrickson. I have no idea how you just declare that Messenbrink is more deserving than Starocci when the criteria are available and they do not add up that way.

I'm a big fan, but wrestling fans do not really embrace Bo. He's a terrible example to use to try to question why fans weren't on Gable's side last night (I also love Gable). Wrestling fans don't love wrestlers who leave wrestling early.

He looks like he ate one of the guys from Top Gun Maverick.

100%. He lost the Big 12 in that exact manner just two weeks ago. He wore himself out in that match trying to score everything against O'Toole. In the semis and finals this weekend he was far less ambitious. It was less fun to watch on some level, but if you keep running out of gas, it might be smart to take your foot off the gas pedal sometimes.

You seriously don't think most people would root against Bo Nickal if he came back?

What happened in his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round matches? Was he hobbled there? Did the practice hobbling occur Friday afternoon? Obviously the PSU coaches aren't lying. Obviously he had some type of injury in practice last week. But until the Hendrickson match he moved fine and remained the guy he's always been. Then suddenly after the loss message board comments (not PSU coaches) declared that he was hobbled. Hobbled is a pretty extreme injury description and it doesn't describe what he was the first 3 rounds. It also isn't close to the description the PSU coaches gave of his status entering the Semis. If they claimed he was hobbled and they threw him out there anyways, then they're terrible coaches. But that's not what happened. He had a slight injury (like Hendrickson also had, and like most do at this point in the season). But he still walked through the first 3 rounds before Hendrickson beat him.

I think the best coach is the guy who beat him by 60.

He didn't say Schultz wasn't good. He said he hasn't progressed. Maybe he just progressed so much earlier he had no room for growth left. But it's pretty undeniable he hasn't progressed.

It was weird that people dismissed the win over Kerk as mostly about health. It's even weirder after Hendrickson beat Gable.

This ignores that one guy tech falled the other guy when they last wrestled. This wasn't all some theoretical thing based on freestyle/folkstyle comparisons. This was a giant upset for actual reasons.

Who did you pick in the semis match between Kerk and Hendrickson? I am guessing Kerk. Kerk wasn't hobbled until after Hendrickson ran through him. And judging by Hendrickson going out and beating the guy guy who ran through Kerk 2 weeks ago, Hendrickson would have run through Kerk no matter the sudden health issue.

I was massively wrong. I was also massively happy as an OSU fan and a Hendrickson fan. A happy idiot is a great thing to be tonight.

Call stalling throughout the OT when he was stalling. Don't call it after an escape on the edge.

I think everything about ESPN's wrestling coverage is aimed at grabbing the so called regular fan. They have Rock Harrison explain rules like viewers have never seen the sport. It would be like explaining what the line of scrimmage is in an NFL game. I am guessing 95% of NCAA wrestling viewers are hardcore wrestling fans. But they aim it at bringing in the 5% who are not. It's dumb.

Funny how few were picking Hendrickson before the match and now so many declare that Kerk was diminished his last match and that's why he lost this one.

Not many do against Hendrickson.

Is there video of the Jordan Williams match earlier or does anybody know what mat he was on so I can just go back on that stream?

I can definitely see Kerk as the offensive equal or perhaps better in neutral.