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If coaches should be removed for failing to hang with PSU, then fire everybody in the country.

I bet the national participation in the USA is the highest in the world. I would further bet it is the highest by a good margin. We just push athletic participation at a much higher rate than most large nations.

Among men Greco is the most widespread style worldwide. That is not the same as being the most popular. More countries entering a wrestler does not mean there are more people doing Greco worldwide than there are doing FS. If you looked at participation numbers in each nation, I'd be very surprised if there were more worldwide participants in Greco.

You mean the media guy reported stuff without asking permission?

There is no imaginary scenario that sends the 20-25 best recruits to Freestyle wrestling by choice. The fact that you were making an imaginary response to an imaginary scenario doesn't make it any more plausible.

There is zero chance of this happening. There are 6 male FS olympians every 4 years. The idea that 20-25 recruits a year would skip college wrestling to pursue those spots is absurd. You are inventing a fairy tale and then arguing what might happen if that fairy tale happens.

You're right Zain Retherford was only a World champ and not an Olympic champ. If you think that's a great point about how our system isn't working and somehow dominating internationally is at cross purposes with winning college titles, then there's no point discussing it further.

Why would anyone need to give up their NCAA title for an Olympic gold? What possible benefit could there be to giving up the title? Pico is the last guy mentioned and he fell down the ladder the further he got away from his decision to pass up wrestling in college. Our young guys are better than ever, and there is zero to suggest that folkstyle wrestling is holding them back.

The OSU forum also had some talk after Taylor was first hired that Williams had talked repeatedly about not continuing in the sport. It seems like he's just a young man who is still figuring out life. He seems to want a few different things that are not totally compatible. That makes him like most young men, but also makes him unlikely to reach all of his considerable wrestling potential. I'm sad to see him go. He was a ton of fun to watch. Every minute he was on the mat I felt like I might see that incredible duck under he hits.

Thanks for letting me be defensive and angry and not turning it into a thing. John Smith is definitely not about having fun. I think if you wanted to say he looked miserable lots of the time, I'd agree. I just don't think it was connected to whether he loved his guys (most of them at least).

It's absurd you keep pushing this idea that John Smith was known for hating his athletes. I've probably seen you say something like that a dozen times on here. It's a fairy tale with no basis in reality and I'm not sure why you keep saying it.

You're beating up a strawman here. Nobody is judging Williams. Almost every post in this thread is about Tayor and Cael. I think everyone is happy to extend understanding for JW and root for him to do well going forward.

How dare they charge money for a product that had value! They should have given it away for free forever because they once did!

I agree that some people like it and some don't. I am not sure of the percentages. I know I had enough after two years at the lowest level of college wrestling.

So people tell you it wasn't a living hell for them and your answer is don't act like it's not a living hell. You really can't accept that it's not the exact same for everyone?

Tell us you don't watch wrestling without telling us you don't watch wrestling. Burroughs hit far more singles in the last 5 years than doubles. He's extended his career through a massive technique evolution.

This comment says way more about you than it does about Zain. I have no idea what his health status is, but concussions are as serious as it gets. If anything I wonder what he was doing competing at all and not giving up the spot before the games.

I'm glad I don't have to wake up and watch tomorrow. It's nice to get the results early.

Thank you. I had read it that way all week but wanted to make sure after I saw those matches assigned on track.

Track shows mat A and mat C matches right now for 74 and 125. Is that just showing that those matches will be up tomorrow morning on those mats? They aren't starting 2 new weight classes in this session are they?

This video is an incredible argument. It trumps anything I said.

So she is by far the most accomplished, but you don't think she is as good. And that is enough to claim Biles is unquestionably the greatest. Makes sense.

The Soviets had a woman (Larisa Latynina) win 18 Olympic medals and 9 olympic golds. Both numbers are higher than Biles. I think you can definitely make an argument for Biles, but I don't understand how you can say it's not even a question that she's better than a woman who won more golds and more medals at the same number of Olympics.

What makes Biles the greatest gymnast over the woman who had more golds, more silvers, more bronzes, and more total medals in the same number of Olympics?

This is a great way to take the worst part of another sport and bring it into wrestling.