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Same for me. it's interesting to think what Smith would have done in an era of more financial support, but it's crazy to see what Burroughs actually did. Especially with some of the USA talent he had to beat just to be there most years.

You continuously reply and then whine about me replying. Classic stuff. Regarding what you said, do you think matches where guys use steroids should count?

When you declared the guy who beat him was on steroids.

Scott was at 125 his first two years and he was still wrestling the Olympics at 132 four years after college. Where are you getting the idea that 133 was a massive cut for him? Oliver definitely had a year of cutting too much before bumping two weights. Marstellar chose to go down because it was the only way to make the team. If he stuck around I'm sure he would have gone up the instant Dieringer was gone. Since the Oliver at 133 year their team has been small and has cut very little weight. Tons of guys have moved up in weights since then. I assume a lesson was learned by killing Oliver. This year's team definitely wasn't cutting by college standards. Most of the team was small (including their two finalists).

Possibly but I doubt it. He was 2 when he won his first gold. That's a huge late start compared to the guys he would be competing with for best ever. It's hard to stack up titles like JB and Smith when you start winning that late.

The World championships occurred in 2023. That's why the post you quote says Sadulaev last year and Snyder now and highlights difference in their ages at those separate times.

I guess they won't be able to sign you as a recruit. Hopefully Scott and OSU can recover and find a way forward.

It's awesome that because the result doesn't fit what you believed before the match happened, that it must not count. The opponent must be juiced and Sad must be compromised.

Yep. Sad was 27 when he got crushed last year. Snyder is 29 now. That 1.5 years matters. Sadulaev was squarely in his crime and got crushed by a 20 year old. You can't be the GOAT with an unavenged loss like that in your prime.

Yep. I was talking about Sadulaev being in his prime. But Smith definitely quit competing young, and Snyder is sneakily older than he seems.

What are you basing the juiced stuff on? You can't declare a guy the best wrestler ever 7 months after he got crushed in his prime by a 20 year old.

What about the 20 year old who crushed Snyder and Sadulaev? Isn't it hard for Sad to be the greatest ever when that happened at the most recent worlds? That kind of dents the idea that Snyder is an all-timer stuck behind an all-timer.

I have no problem with him putting his personal twist. If he said the exact same thing during the match I don't care at all. If he said 'Welsh should be attacking that leg, I know I would' Who cares. That's what he's there for. But you seriously think a minute after the final while a guy is celebrating his 4th title is the moment for that? That he should be making it about himself in that moment? It's just an ego run amok moment. That moment wasn't about Jordan Burroughs in any way.

I agree that when a CB goes down in a football game they say they would go after the replacement. You're nuts if you think after the winning play of the super bowl, Tony Romo immediately says 'I could have thrown a TD against that injured CB or his replacement'. This isn't about contact sports or toughness or whether basketball is soft or wrestling is tough. This is about how you obviously don't make it about you when someone else wins a title that had nothing to do with you.

What a pointless answer. The idea that color commentators are infallible because they are there to provide inside info. I rooted for Daton Fix all weekend. He was there to score takedowns and win matches. But amazingly that didn't matter to Vito. He still lost when he did a bad job of scoring takedowns and winning matches. JB being hired to provide commentary doesn't make everything he says correct. When he provided inside info during the match about attacking the leg as a strategy, that was him doing his job. When he immediately made things about him after the match, that wasn't him doing his job. When you make things about yourself when they aren't about yourself, some people won't like it. That's fine. He's a big boy and he doesn't appear to be bothered by people being upset. I'm not sure why you need to play white knight for him and explain that he didn't do anything wrong.

Thanks for reminding me of that. Does that mean announcers are required to make things about themselves? Does that mean that in the moment after a great accomplishment, the guy paid to talk about the accomplishment should instead talk about himself and what he would do?

Absolutely. Without those losses he doesn't qualify for nationals and doesn't win number 4. So you can't pretend those losses away.

He shouldn't have. He should have kept the focus on the guy who just won his 4th title instead of helping DC drag the focus away into an imagined beef. I don't blame PSU alum/fans/wrestlers for being bothered by it. And I rooted against PSU in every match that entire weekend. But I can't imagine the announcer immediately after the NBA finals conclusion saying that he was going to go after an injury in that summer's olympics. And if that happened, it would be a huge story and the guy who said it wouldn't be able to blame it on the question that was asked. JB's ego made it about him, and now people don't like that. Oh well.

Yep. All three were transfers. But if you want to make a point about how they don't develop and only poach, then guys like Spratley and Jamison don't make sense. Both were undeveloped non-starters who had never been to NCAAs at the time of their transfer. Then they combined for 2 points. OSU will get nothing out of either without lots of development. You could say OSU poached them, but you can't say they didn't develop whatever they are and become. Olejnik was definitely a classic one year poach. Hamiti will be. Having one guy like that in lineup still puts them well behind the teams near the top (just like they are behind those teams in most areas right now).

It's pretty high if you want to make a point about how almost every top school has lots of transfers or a point about the fact that almost 25% of the total points at NCAAs were scored by transfers. But if you're trying to make a point about OSU specifically being a school that poaches guys, then no it is not pretty high.

1 Penn State 58.5 172.5 34% 2 Michigan 52.5 71 74% 3 Iowa 40.5 67 60% 4 Oregon State 19.5 20 98% 5 Iowa State 18 68.5 26% 6 Oklahoma 17 20 85% 7 Lock Haven 13.5 14 96% 8 Oklahoma State 12 56 21% 9 Arizona State 11 64.5 17% 10 Rutgers 10 22.5 44% They were 8th in points from transfers. And they got a lower percentage from transfers than PSU, Michigan, or Iowa.

Where are you coming up with this stuff? You can obviously knock them for not developing guys in recent years, but then you go make stuff up about how they just try to bring guys in from elsewhere. They had fewer transfer points in their lineup than almost any big school at the NCAA tournament.

You make some great points here about personality in wrestling. Keckeisen really is the ideal personality. He's incredibly physical and mean on the mat, but he's the same guy who after the semis last year said he didn't attack injured Munoz because he was winning and didn't need to. He's like a boyscout with a mean streak. Swiderski is just a jerk, and a wrestling team absolutely needs those. I wish the HS team I coach had a few Swiderskis.

Little Rock is supported by one large donor. Success does matter to him. It matters to all donors at all schools. Most wrestling programs are not supported by revenue, but rather by fund raising. When all of the best wrestlers leave a program, it will absolutely effect fund raising. And while an AD won't care about fewer individual all americans, they will absolutely care about less fund raising.