Gantry Posted February 16 Posted February 16 On a whim I decided to look up Ventresca's wrestlestat profile because it seems to me that he wins a bunch by scoring 4 points or less. First three low scoring guys that came to my head. Eddie Ventresca - 5 Angelo Ferrari - 5 Cody Merrill - 6 Can folks find others who won five or more matches scoring 4 or less points?
1032004 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 15 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: AJ Ferrari? Yup he has 6
CHROMEBIRD Posted February 16 Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Gantry said: On a whim I decided to look up Ventresca's wrestlestat profile because it seems to me that he wins a bunch by scoring 4 points or less. First three low scoring guys that came to my head. Eddie Ventresca - 5 Angelo Ferrari - 5 Cody Merrill - 6 Can folks find others who won five or more matches scoring 4 or less points? Good stuff. I think the 4U club should as honorary members include guys who wrestled matches where the winner scored 4 points or less. Gabe Arnold has 8 so far this season (4 were wins). He sure likes to keep it close.
BigRedFan Posted February 16 Posted February 16 (edited) Ignore for my lack of reading comprehension... Edited February 16 by BigRedFan
Gantry Posted February 16 Author Posted February 16 1 minute ago, BigRedFan said: Tyler Ferrera (Cornell) is 21-7 and has eight wins by *three* or fewer points. WOW, we have a new winner!
Gantry Posted February 16 Author Posted February 16 17 minutes ago, CHROMEBIRD said: Good stuff. I think the 4U club should as honorary members include guys who wrestled matches where the winner scored 4 points or less. Gabe Arnold has 8 so far this season (4 were wins). He sure likes to keep it close. I'm certainly flexible, the club can allow that. Maybe an alternate membership level.
BigRedFan Posted February 16 Posted February 16 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Gantry said: WOW, we have a new winner! Pfft. Chaz Tucker went 31-0 during the doomed 2020 season with, count'em, 8 wins scoring four or fewer points, with four of them scoring only three points. In no match all season did he hold the opponent to zero points. Bonus rate of under 10%. Edited February 16 by BigRedFan
1032004 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 8 minutes ago, BigRedFan said: Pfft. Chaz Tucker went 31-0 during the doomed 2020 season with, count'em, 8 wins scoring four or fewer points, with four of them scoring only three points. In no match all season did he hold the opponent to zero points. Bonus rate of under 10%. So basically only four would qualify under OP’s criteria with 3 pt TD’s
1032004 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 8 minutes ago, Coastal said: Will Lewan laughs at that in double digits at historical low scoring seasons. He actually only had 6 during all of 2023-2024 including NCAA’s (the first year of 3 pt TD’s I believe). If we limit it to wins with 3 pts or less in prior seasons, he had: 2022-2023: 10 (5 of those in the B10 tourney which is kinda crazy) 2021-2022: 9 2020-2021: 2 2019-2020: 6 (no NCAA’s)
Pinnacle Posted February 16 Posted February 16 (edited) 1 minute ago, Coastal said: Starocci would have made the team his freshman year but never again. Never mind. 5 or more. There are some good wrestlers standing on the precipice. Edited February 16 by Pinnacle
1032004 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 28 minutes ago, Coastal said: I'm getting 12 in both 2022 and 2023 Are you counting 4 points or 3? Probably needs to be 3 prior to 3pt TD.
Pablo Posted February 16 Posted February 16 This is easy to address with my Pablo database. The most I find is 7 wins where the winner has 4 points or fewer. These are absolute values, not percentage of matches 125:George Mason_Ben Monn 125:Minnesota_Jore Volk 125:Oklahoma_Conrad Hendriksen 133:North Dakota State_Tristan Daugherty 133:SIU Edwardsville_Marcel Lopez 133:West Virginia_Gunner Andrick 157:Clarion_Wesley Barnes 157:Navy_Jonathan Ley 157:SIU Edwardsville_PJ Murphy 165:Pittsburgh_Jared Keslar 184:Virginia Tech_Jaden Bullock 285:Missouri_Jarrett Stoner 285:Northern Illinois_Sean Carroll Those with 6 133:Rider_Will Betancourt 141:Iowa_Nasir Bailey 141:Utah Valley_Haiden Drury 157:Hofstra_Frank Volpe 157:Wisconsin_Lane Robinson 174:Oklahoma_Carter Schubert 184:Bucknell_Tyler Bienus 197:Brown_Andrew Reall 197:Hofstra_Will Conlon 197:Oklahoma State_Cody Merrill 285:American_Emmanuel Ulrich 285:Binghamton_Trent Sibble Those with 5 125:Binghamton_Carson Wagner 133:Cornell_Tyler Ferrara 133:Northwestern_Sean Spidle 141:Bellarmine_AJ Rallo 141:Central Michigan_Nick Blackburn 149:Appalachian State_Kaden Keiser 149:Cal Poly_Andre Gonzales 149:Davidson_Anderson Heap 149:Ohio State_Maddox Shaw 149:Purdue_Gavin Brown 149:Virginia Tech_Collin Gaj 157:Lock Haven_Nick Stampoulos 157:Maryland_Kal Miller 157:Nebraska_Antrell Taylor 157:Rutgers_Conner Harer 157:Virginia_Colton Washleski 165:Columbia_Cesar Alvan 165:Northern Illinois_Brett Smith 165:Pennsylvania_Sean Seefeldt 184:Iowa_Angelo Ferrari 184:Lehigh_Rylan Rogers 197:Minnesota_Gavin Nelson 197:North Carolina_Robert Platt 285:Northwestern_Dirk Morley 285:Rider_Hogan Swenski 285:Spartan Combat RTC_Rocco Dellagata 285:Virginia Tech_Parker Ferrell
Pablo Posted February 16 Posted February 16 Of the 7 win club, the best is Hendrickson from Oklahoma, who only has 10 wins overall. So has scored no more than 4 in 7 of his 10 wins. Daugherty has 11 wins, Murphy and Keslar have 12. For the 6s, Bailey, Robinson and Ulrich have 10 wins. For the 5s, Ferrari and Nelson have 9 wins. These are the guys who have more than half their wins scoring 4 or fewer
1032004 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 27 minutes ago, Pablo said: This is easy to address with my Pablo database. The most I find is 7 wins where the winner has 4 points or fewer. These are absolute values, not percentage of matches 125:George Mason_Ben Monn 125:Minnesota_Jore Volk 125:Oklahoma_Conrad Hendriksen 133:North Dakota State_Tristan Daugherty 133:SIU Edwardsville_Marcel Lopez 133:West Virginia_Gunner Andrick 157:Clarion_Wesley Barnes 157:Navy_Jonathan Ley 157:SIU Edwardsville_PJ Murphy 165:Pittsburgh_Jared Keslar 184:Virginia Tech_Jaden Bullock 285:Missouri_Jarrett Stoner 285:Northern Illinois_Sean Carroll Those with 6 133:Rider_Will Betancourt 141:Iowa_Nasir Bailey 141:Utah Valley_Haiden Drury 157:Hofstra_Frank Volpe 157:Wisconsin_Lane Robinson 174:Oklahoma_Carter Schubert 184:Bucknell_Tyler Bienus 197:Brown_Andrew Reall 197:Hofstra_Will Conlon 197:Oklahoma State_Cody Merrill 285:American_Emmanuel Ulrich 285:Binghamton_Trent Sibble Those with 5 125:Binghamton_Carson Wagner 133:Cornell_Tyler Ferrara 133:Northwestern_Sean Spidle 141:Bellarmine_AJ Rallo 141:Central Michigan_Nick Blackburn 149:Appalachian State_Kaden Keiser 149:Cal Poly_Andre Gonzales 149:Davidson_Anderson Heap 149:Ohio State_Maddox Shaw 149:Purdue_Gavin Brown 149:Virginia Tech_Collin Gaj 157:Lock Haven_Nick Stampoulos 157:Maryland_Kal Miller 157:Nebraska_Antrell Taylor 157:Rutgers_Conner Harer 157:Virginia_Colton Washleski 165:Columbia_Cesar Alvan 165:Northern Illinois_Brett Smith 165:Pennsylvania_Sean Seefeldt 184:Iowa_Angelo Ferrari 184:Lehigh_Rylan Rogers 197:Minnesota_Gavin Nelson 197:North Carolina_Robert Platt 285:Northwestern_Dirk Morley 285:Rider_Hogan Swenski 285:Spartan Combat RTC_Rocco Dellagata 285:Virginia Tech_Parker Ferrell Thanks for the list! I think you are missing AJ though, although I was wrong it looks like he only has five and not six
JimmyCinnabon Posted February 17 Posted February 17 These are the ridiculous conversations my wrestling buddies and I get into.
1032004 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 6 hours ago, Pablo said: This is easy to address with my Pablo database. The most I find is 7 wins where the winner has 4 points or fewer. These are absolute values, not percentage of matches 125:George Mason_Ben Monn 125:Minnesota_Jore Volk 125:Oklahoma_Conrad Hendriksen 133:North Dakota State_Tristan Daugherty 133:SIU Edwardsville_Marcel Lopez 133:West Virginia_Gunner Andrick 157:Clarion_Wesley Barnes 157:Navy_Jonathan Ley 157:SIU Edwardsville_PJ Murphy 165:Pittsburgh_Jared Keslar 184:Virginia Tech_Jaden Bullock 285:Missouri_Jarrett Stoner 285:Northern Illinois_Sean Carroll Those with 6 133:Rider_Will Betancourt 141:Iowa_Nasir Bailey 141:Utah Valley_Haiden Drury 157:Hofstra_Frank Volpe 157:Wisconsin_Lane Robinson 174:Oklahoma_Carter Schubert 184:Bucknell_Tyler Bienus 197:Brown_Andrew Reall 197:Hofstra_Will Conlon 197:Oklahoma State_Cody Merrill 285:American_Emmanuel Ulrich 285:Binghamton_Trent Sibble Those with 5 125:Binghamton_Carson Wagner 133:Cornell_Tyler Ferrara 133:Northwestern_Sean Spidle 141:Bellarmine_AJ Rallo 141:Central Michigan_Nick Blackburn 149:Appalachian State_Kaden Keiser 149:Cal Poly_Andre Gonzales 149:Davidson_Anderson Heap 149:Ohio State_Maddox Shaw 149:Purdue_Gavin Brown 149:Virginia Tech_Collin Gaj 157:Lock Haven_Nick Stampoulos 157:Maryland_Kal Miller 157:Nebraska_Antrell Taylor 157:Rutgers_Conner Harer 157:Virginia_Colton Washleski 165:Columbia_Cesar Alvan 165:Northern Illinois_Brett Smith 165:Pennsylvania_Sean Seefeldt 184:Iowa_Angelo Ferrari 184:Lehigh_Rylan Rogers 197:Minnesota_Gavin Nelson 197:North Carolina_Robert Platt 285:Northwestern_Dirk Morley 285:Rider_Hogan Swenski 285:Spartan Combat RTC_Rocco Dellagata 285:Virginia Tech_Parker Ferrell Interestingly looking at Jore Volk, he has 2 4pt or less wins over 2 different guys (Ventresca and Koehler)
jmoney Posted February 17 Posted February 17 10 hours ago, Pablo said: This is easy to address with my Pablo database. The most I find is 7 wins where the winner has 4 points or fewer. These are absolute values, not percentage of matches 125:George Mason_Ben Monn 125:Minnesota_Jore Volk 125:Oklahoma_Conrad Hendriksen 133:North Dakota State_Tristan Daugherty 133:SIU Edwardsville_Marcel Lopez 133:West Virginia_Gunner Andrick 157:Clarion_Wesley Barnes 157:Navy_Jonathan Ley 157:SIU Edwardsville_PJ Murphy 165:Pittsburgh_Jared Keslar 184:Virginia Tech_Jaden Bullock 285:Missouri_Jarrett Stoner 285:Northern Illinois_Sean Carroll Those with 6 133:Rider_Will Betancourt 141:Iowa_Nasir Bailey 141:Utah Valley_Haiden Drury 157:Hofstra_Frank Volpe 157:Wisconsin_Lane Robinson 174:Oklahoma_Carter Schubert 184:Bucknell_Tyler Bienus 197:Brown_Andrew Reall 197:Hofstra_Will Conlon 197:Oklahoma State_Cody Merrill 285:American_Emmanuel Ulrich 285:Binghamton_Trent Sibble Those with 5 125:Binghamton_Carson Wagner 133:Cornell_Tyler Ferrara 133:Northwestern_Sean Spidle 141:Bellarmine_AJ Rallo 141:Central Michigan_Nick Blackburn 149:Appalachian State_Kaden Keiser 149:Cal Poly_Andre Gonzales 149:Davidson_Anderson Heap 149:Ohio State_Maddox Shaw 149:Purdue_Gavin Brown 149:Virginia Tech_Collin Gaj 157:Lock Haven_Nick Stampoulos 157:Maryland_Kal Miller 157:Nebraska_Antrell Taylor 157:Rutgers_Conner Harer 157:Virginia_Colton Washleski 165:Columbia_Cesar Alvan 165:Northern Illinois_Brett Smith 165:Pennsylvania_Sean Seefeldt 184:Iowa_Angelo Ferrari 184:Lehigh_Rylan Rogers 197:Minnesota_Gavin Nelson 197:North Carolina_Robert Platt 285:Northwestern_Dirk Morley 285:Rider_Hogan Swenski 285:Spartan Combat RTC_Rocco Dellagata 285:Virginia Tech_Parker Ferrell Some more low scorers as well as in parentheses the number of times they've scored 5 or less in matches of both wins and losses, a less indicative measure but indicator of low scoring 4 wins club 125 Trevor Anderson 4/20 matches (13) 165 Andrew Sparks 4/20 matches (11) 174 Christopher Minto 4/21 (8) 174 Carter Baer 4/19 (8) 5 wins club 141 Tyler Wells, 5/20 matches (12) 157 Matt Bianchi 5/18 matches (10) 174 Aiden Wallace, Duke 5/27 matches (13) Median points scored by this group Anderson 3 Wells 4 Bianchi 5 Baer, Wallace 6 Sparks 9 Minto 10
Pablo Posted February 17 Posted February 17 16 hours ago, 1032004 said: Thanks for the list! I think you are missing AJ though, although I was wrong it looks like he only has five and not six I could be missing a match, though
Crotalus Posted February 17 Posted February 17 He actually only had 6 during all of 2023-2024 including NCAA’s (the first year of 3 pt TD’s I believe). If we limit it to wins with 3 pts or less in prior seasons, he had: 2022-2023: 10 (5 of those in the B10 tourney which is kinda crazy) 2021-2022: 9 2020-2021: 2 2019-2020: 6 (no NCAA’s)Where does Jason Tsirtsis come out in 3 pts or less? He always comes to mind as a guy who was aiming for rideouts as soon as the match started. Sent from my SM-S936U using Tapatalk
11986 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 11 minutes ago, Crotalus said: Where does Jason Tsirtsis come out in 3 pts or less? He always comes to mind as a guy who was aiming for rideouts as soon as the match started. Sent from my SM-S936U using Tapatalk well 10 of his 16 wins at NCAAs meet the 3 or less standard (plus he had another wins where he scored 4). Then again a lot of guys scoring prowess takes a dip at that level.
WrestlingRash Posted February 17 Posted February 17 You should pull the data for guys who lose by 4 or less. Close masters. Never a threat to win, but always close.
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