Stallcus Blaze

[Wrestleknownothing]

On 2/15/2026 at 4:09 PM, BruceyB said:

I think the point that everyone misses, and we clearly agree on, is that our grief isn't taking away from Marcus' win, or insinuating that he would have lost if stalling were actually called. The grief is that guys are allowed to wrestle this style with impunity. As a fan I want to watch guys wrestle, and the way things are currently called, we get a lot of matches with very, very little wrestling. Then we are left feeling let down by a result that doesn't really tell us anything about who the better wrestler was in that match.

I'd be really curious if @Wrestleknownothing has the stats readily available and they agree, but I feel like 10-15 years ago, there were significantly less 0-0 firsts, and 1-1 OTs. I remember the NCAA finals usually got boring because that's when guys wrestled more cautiously like today's wrestlers wrestle each and every match against a good opponent.

I only have it for NCAA matches. I did a post on here a while back about the impact of the 3pt TD (negative) that you can look at. I will update it after this year's tournie and post it on our website.

[PortaJohn]

On 2/16/2026 at 9:37 PM, Coastal said:

You've got your facts all screwed up.  In 2023, Kerkvliet lost to Parris, in 2024 he went undefeated and beat Davisdson to win the title.  In 2025 Kerkvliet was undefeated going into BIGs but was given the 2 seed.

 

On 2/16/2026 at 9:42 PM, Caveira said:

And he lost in the finals at bigs and lost in the semis at NCAAs.  Did they get it right then?

Sure, they got it right but you got your argument wrong.  If you just said, "Kirk should've been the #1 seed at Big's because he was the returning NCAA champ & undefeated" than your Byrd argument stands.  Be consistent and don't let your PSU hatred get you off track too easily.

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

 

Sure, they got it right but you got your argument wrong.  If you just said, "Kirk should've been the #1 seed at Big's because he was the returning NCAA champ & undefeated" than your Byrd argument stands.  Be consistent and don't let your PSU hatred get you off track too easily.

You’re comparing gable Stevenson’s  as also an undefeated ncaa champ in 2022 to a true frosh.  I don’t think it’s the same comparison.  

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

You’re comparing gable Stevenson’s  as also an undefeated ncaa champ in 2022 to a true frosh.  I don’t think it’s the same comparison.  

Steveson did not win it his freshman year.  I can't tell if your just trolling at this point (impressive commitment) or yet again your PSU hatred is short circuiting your brain function

[Caveira]

27 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Steveson did not win it his freshman year.  I can't tell if your just trolling at this point (impressive commitment) or yet again your PSU hatred is short circuiting your brain function

What year do you think Kirk was snubbed as the 2 seed at bigs and who was the 1 seed at bigs that year 

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

What year do you think Kirk was snubbed as the 2 seed at bigs and who was the 1 seed at bigs that year 

I never said Kirk was snubbed as the 2 seed

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

I never said Kirk was snubbed as the 2 seed

What year was Kirk the 2 seed at bigs when he was a returning underrated ncaa champion 

[Caveira]

5 hours ago, Caveira said:

What year was Kirk the 2 seed at bigs when he was a returning underrated ncaa champion 

Meant undefeated @PortaJohn not underrated 

[PortaJohn]

5 hours ago, Caveira said:

What year was Kirk the 2 seed at bigs when he was a returning underrated ncaa champion 

 

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Meant undefeated @PortaJohn not underrated 

Last year

[Le duke]

What year was Kirk the 2 seed at bigs when he was a returning underrated ncaa champion 

2025…


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[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

 

Last year

 

5 minutes ago, Le duke said:

2025…


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The last ncaa tourney gable Stevenson wrestled in… prior to 2025.   what did he finish.  And what was his overall record that season?

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

 

The last ncaa tourney gable Stevenson wrestled in… prior to 2025.   what did he finish.  And what was his overall record that season?

Gable Steveson was not the returning NCAA champ last year.  Kirkvliet was.  By your own standard that means any rational fan would've given him the #1 seed.  If thats your take fair enough.  If not, than your standard of the #1 seed has a lot of gaping holes.  

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Gable Steveson was not the returning NCAA champ last year.  Kirkvliet was.  By your own standard that means any rational fan would've given him the #1 seed.  If thats your take fair enough.  If not, than your standard of the #1 seed has a lot of gaping holes.  

Gable Stevenson was an undefeated ncaa champ the last year he wrestled and also had a gold in the Olympics is the answer.  
 

in Marcus blaze last ncaa season….  What did he finish at that ncaa tourney and what was his record that ncaa season?

Edited February 20 by Caveira

[PortaJohn]

Just now, Caveira said:

Gable Stevenson was an undefeated ncaa champ the last year he wrestled and also had a gold in the Olympics is the answer.  
 

in Marcus blaze last ncaa tourney and full ncaa season record that year.  What did he finish at that ncaa tourney and what was his record that ncaa season?

You're already changing your standards.  Pretty simple.  Undefeated returning champs always get the #1 seed or they don't.  Once you say they don't than your argument falls apart.  

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

You're already changing your standards.  Pretty simple.  Undefeated returning champs always get the #1 seed or they don't.  Once you say they don't than your argument falls apart.  

If two undefeated returning/defending champs show up you need a tie breaker of some kind.   Stevenson was regarded as the best hwt ever prior to this…. And he showed the seed was right as he dismantled Kirk.  Kirk didn’t even make the third place bout the year he finished 6th right?
 

You also didn’t tell me what Marcus blaze finished at NCAAs in His last tourney.    
 

do you see the silliness in comparing the two situations ?

byrd should be the #1 seed.   

Edited February 20 by Caveira

[PortaJohn]

42 minutes ago, Caveira said:

If two undefeated returning/defending champs show up you need a tie breaker of some kind.   Stevenson was regarded as the best hwt ever prior to this…. And he showed the seed was right as he dismantled Kirk.

Last time I'm responding to you on this subject.  Steveson "earned" the #1 seed by having a better SOS and more dominant results against the same opponents.  He didn't get the #1 seed because he was regarded as the best hwt ever.

42 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 Kirk didn’t even make the third place bout the year he finished 6th right?

Kirk  placed 6th because he medically forfeited out after the loss to Hendrickson.  I guess the NCAA should've accounted for this in their seeding and done the same for Spencer Lee who must've been seeded to high in 2023

42 minutes ago, Caveira said:

You also didn’t tell me what Marcus blaze finished at NCAAs in His last tourney.  

Irrelevant. Not a criteria for seeding

42 minutes ago, Caveira said:

do you see the silliness in comparing the two situations ?

The silliness is setting different standards on seeding for different wrestlers based on perception or accolades in the past

42 minutes ago, Caveira said:

byrd should be the #1 seed.  

There is a formula for this.  Byrd may very well be the #1 seed.  No one will go crazy if he is but it will not be because he won NCAA's last year

Edited February 20 by PortaJohn

[timmcnaughton3294]

Back to the peanut butter & jelly don’t get off the topic 

What is the difference between jelly, jam, and preserve? I like my peanut butter smooth...

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[Caveira]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Kirk  placed 6th because he medically forfeited out after the loss to Hendrickson.  I guess the NCAA should've accounted for this in their seeding and done the same for Spencer Lee who must've been seeded to high in 2023

Not at big 10s I think he won those.  I remember some blue glasses saying it was a national travesty for someone who was injured to mff out of NCAAs after losing in the semis … probably a double standard or me not remembering correctly.   Probably. Who knows boss. 

Edited February 21 by Caveira