125’s wrestling like heavyweights

[1032004]

This is sad for me to say as a former 125, but it feels like a lot of 125’s in the last few years have not been very offensive, possibly moreso than other weights.

I miss @Wrestleknownothing, I wonder if he’d have data on the number of matches that end regulation 1-1 by weight.  I know he had a prior thread that was something like that where he argued the 3 pt takedown may have actually resulted in less scoring, but I forget if it was broken down by weight.

[Caveira]

57 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

This is sad for me to say as a former 125, but it feels like a lot of 125’s in the last few years have not been very offensive, possibly moreso than other weights.

I miss @Wrestleknownothing, I wonder if he’d have data on the number of matches that end regulation 1-1 by weight.  I know he had a prior thread that was something like that where he argued the 3 pt takedown may have actually resulted in less scoring, but I forget if it was broken down by weight.

The 3 point takedown was supposed to fix everything.  It didn’t.   Go back to the 2 pt takedown and just call stalling 

[ionel]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

This is sad for me to say as a former 125, but it feels like a lot of 125’s in the last few years have not been very offensive, possibly moreso than other weights.

I miss @Wrestleknownothing, I wonder if he’d have data on the number of matches that end regulation 1-1 by weight.  I know he had a prior thread that was something like that where he argued the 3 pt takedown may have actually resulted in less scoring, but I forget if it was broken down by weight.

Wasn't there a Ntl Dual match that was 0-0 end of 3rd?  Is this what we'd call perfect wrestling?  

[1032004]

28 minutes ago, ionel said:

Wasn't there a Ntl Dual match that was 0-0 end of 3rd?  Is this what we'd call perfect wrestling?  

I once reffed a HS match that ended 0-0 after the UTB.  Well I guess it was technically 1-0 because you get a point for the rideout. Probably should’ve called more stalling…

[BIGTENFANBOY]

Last year's NCAA Finals 125 felt like a typical 285 match. 285 felt like a 125 match.

[WrestlingRash]

Wrestling is the ONLY combat sport in the world where lightweights get more attention than actual grown up adults. If I was in charge, I would drop 125, 133 and 141. These weights are disgusting and weird. Only adult sized people at the D1 level. 

[1032004]

2 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

Wrestling is the ONLY combat sport in the world where lightweights get more attention than actual grown up adults. If I was in charge, I would drop 125, 133 and 141. These weights are disgusting and weird. Only adult sized people at the D1 level. 

 

 

 

[B3Maliske]

34 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

Wrestling is the ONLY combat sport in the world where lightweights get more attention than actual grown up adults. If I was in charge, I would drop 125, 133 and 141. These weights are disgusting and weird. Only adult sized people at the D1 level. 

[WrestlingRash]

12 minutes ago, B3Maliske said:

posting the weight classes like this proves nothing. I hope you know that. Heavyweight bouts have generated the largest individual paydays, with some fighters receiving seven-figure sums for title fights. For example, Jon Jones's purse for his fight against Stipe Miocic was one of the biggest ever paid out by the UFC.

 

The UFC has dropped flyweight, AKA 125, in the past. Nobody cares to watch that crap. Its glorified midget fighting. Eliminate 125-141 and grow the sport, literally. 

[WrestlingRash]

44 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

 

 

 

So cool. 10/10 were 14 at some point during that window. I am talking about eliminating these weights at the D1 level. Its not cool to be so tiny as a grown up. 

[manatree]

Lightweights have always danced as much as upper weights, it’s just that they dance with head taps and feints instead of collar ties.

[Caveira]

3 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

Wrestling is the ONLY combat sport in the world where lightweights get more attention than actual grown up adults. If I was in charge, I would drop 125, 133 and 141. These weights are disgusting and weird. Only adult sized people at the D1 level. 

Here are the WBA (World Boxing Association) men’s professional boxing weight classes:

• Mini Flyweight / Minimumweight — 105 lb (47.63 kg) World Boxing Association

• Light Flyweight — 108 lb (48.99 kg) World Boxing Association

• Flyweight — 112 lb (50.80 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Flyweight — 115 lb (52.16 kg) World Boxing Association

• Bantamweight — 118 lb (53.52 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Bantamweight — 122 lb (55.34 kg) World Boxing Association

• Featherweight — 126 lb (57.15 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Featherweight — 130 lb (58.97 kg) World Boxing Association

• Lightweight — 135 lb (61.23 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Lightweight — 140 lb (63.50 kg) World Boxing Association

• Welterweight — 147 lb (66.68 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Welterweight — 154 lb (69.85 kg) World Boxing Association

• Middleweight — 160 lb (72.57 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Middleweight — 168 lb (76.20 kg) World Boxing Association

• Light Heavyweight — 175 lb (79.50 kg) World Boxing Association+1

• Cruiserweight — 200 lb (90.72 kg) Boxing Daily+1

• Bridgerweight — up to 224 lb (≈ 101.6 kg) ESPN.com+1

• Heavyweight — over 224 lb (no upper limit per WBA rankings)

[alex1fly]

Odd premise. I haven’t noticed this trend at all. I don’t follow D1 as a whole though, just my couple of fave teams, so it may be true. 

Edited November 22, 2025 by alex1fly

[alex1fly]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

 

Here are the WBA (World Boxing Association) men’s professional boxing weight classes:

• Mini Flyweight / Minimumweight — 105 lb (47.63 kg) World Boxing Association

• Light Flyweight — 108 lb (48.99 kg) World Boxing Association

• Flyweight — 112 lb (50.80 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Flyweight — 115 lb (52.16 kg) World Boxing Association

• Bantamweight — 118 lb (53.52 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Bantamweight — 122 lb (55.34 kg) World Boxing Association

• Featherweight — 126 lb (57.15 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Featherweight — 130 lb (58.97 kg) World Boxing Association

• Lightweight — 135 lb (61.23 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Lightweight — 140 lb (63.50 kg) World Boxing Association

• Welterweight — 147 lb (66.68 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Welterweight — 154 lb (69.85 kg) World Boxing Association

• Middleweight — 160 lb (72.57 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Middleweight — 168 lb (76.20 kg) World Boxing Association

• Light Heavyweight — 175 lb (79.50 kg) World Boxing Association+1

• Cruiserweight — 200 lb (90.72 kg) Boxing Daily+1

• Bridgerweight — up to 224 lb (≈ 101.6 kg) ESPN.com+1

• Heavyweight — over 224 lb (no upper limit per WBA rankings)

Thought the bold said “burgerweight”

[boconnell]

10 hours ago, Caveira said:

The 3 point takedown was supposed to fix everything.  It didn’t.   Go back to the 2 pt takedown and just call stalling 

Awesome non sequitur.  

[ionel]

10 hours ago, Caveira said:

The 3 point takedown was supposed to fix everything.  It didn’t.   Go back to the 2 pt takedown and just call stalling 

If we want more takedowns we should go to 1pt for takedowns and 3pts for escapes. 

[Caveira]

19 minutes ago, boconnell said:

Awesome non sequitur.  

Not sure it’s a Non sequitur but.   What’s your argument.  If it didn’t increase action or scoring what was its purpose.   And if it didn’t achieve its purpose why not go back?

Edited November 22, 2025 by Caveira

[1032004]

6 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

Wrestling is the ONLY combat sport in the world where lightweights get more attention than actual grown up adults. If I was in charge, I would drop 125, 133 and 141. These weights are disgusting and weird. Only adult sized people at the D1 level. 

Didn’t guys like Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor fight for awhile at weights under 141 in their respective sports?

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Didn’t guys like Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor fight for awhile at weights under 141 in their respective sports?

I think only manny 140 lbs.  next two 147 and 145 respectively but close 

[boconnell]

7 hours ago, WrestlingRash said:

Wrestling is the ONLY combat sport in the world where lightweights get more attention than actual grown up adults. If I was in charge, I would drop 125, 133 and 141. These weights are disgusting and weird. Only adult sized people at the D1 level. 

This ignores that a good chunk of the non-western world has lots of adults those sizes.  Japan's wrestling depth in those weights is definitely not weird and disgusting.  

[Truzzcat]

Feels like guys have gotten so counter attack reliant that the only guys that can really go and get it against elite competition seem to separate themselves.

[WrestlingRash]

1 hour ago, boconnell said:

This ignores that a good chunk of the non-western world has lots of adults those sizes.  Japan's wrestling depth in those weights is definitely not weird and disgusting.  

I am talking D1, but I am glad you agree that western men of that size are bizarre and gross. 

[WrestlingRash]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

I think only manny 140 lbs.  next two 147 and 145 respectively but close 

Fine, just get rid of 125 and 133

 

[WrestlingRash]

5 hours ago, Caveira said:

 

Here are the WBA (World Boxing Association) men’s professional boxing weight classes:

• Mini Flyweight / Minimumweight — 105 lb (47.63 kg) World Boxing Association

• Light Flyweight — 108 lb (48.99 kg) World Boxing Association

• Flyweight — 112 lb (50.80 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Flyweight — 115 lb (52.16 kg) World Boxing Association

• Bantamweight — 118 lb (53.52 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Bantamweight — 122 lb (55.34 kg) World Boxing Association

• Featherweight — 126 lb (57.15 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Featherweight — 130 lb (58.97 kg) World Boxing Association

• Lightweight — 135 lb (61.23 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Lightweight — 140 lb (63.50 kg) World Boxing Association

• Welterweight — 147 lb (66.68 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Welterweight — 154 lb (69.85 kg) World Boxing Association

• Middleweight — 160 lb (72.57 kg) World Boxing Association

• Super Middleweight — 168 lb (76.20 kg) World Boxing Association

• Light Heavyweight — 175 lb (79.50 kg) World Boxing Association+1

• Cruiserweight — 200 lb (90.72 kg) Boxing Daily+1

• Bridgerweight — up to 224 lb (≈ 101.6 kg) ESPN.com+1

• Heavyweight — over 224 lb (no upper limit per WBA rankings)

And? This is a list of the weights. Now post a list for their average purse which correlates to public interest. Nobody cares about the midget fighting. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said:

And? This is a list of the weights. Now post a list for their average purse which correlates to public interest. Nobody cares about the midget fighting. 

Ok boss.