Most losses to win a title

[ionel]

On 2/1/2023 at 10:18 AM, Wrestleknownothing said:

Calling all historians.

A comment on FRL this morning got me thinking about who has won an NCAA title with the most career losses? And who had the most losses in the season they won a title?

I did a quick, very partial scan of wrestlingstats and the most I could find was J Jaggers with 32 career loses and J Jaggers with 9 loses in 2009 when he won as a senior.

 

On 2/1/2023 at 10:22 AM, ionel said:

Betting Branch has the most for year won, no idea on the career.  

So what did I win?  Maybe 3 or four roses?  I'm not greedy, happy with a small batch.   

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

 

So what did I win?  Maybe 3 or four roses?  I'm not greedy, happy with a small batch.   

I wish you had spoken up sooner. Just gave that to my wife's cousin. Maybe next time.

[ionel]

10 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I wish you had spoken up sooner. Just gave that to my wife's cousin. Maybe next time.

You gave your wife's cousin roses.  Does your wife know?  

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

You gave your wife's cousin roses.  Does your wife know?  

It gets worse. He gave me a red breast...in her presence.

[ionel]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

It gets worse. He gave me a red breast...in her presence.

tmi!

[manatree]

On 2/1/2023 at 12:10 PM, 11986 said:

Jeff Walter from Wisconsin (heavyweight champ in '96) had 43 career losses.

The Walter brothers are personal favorites of mine.

[Fadzaev2]

On 2/1/2023 at 11:22 AM, ionel said:

Betting Branch has the most for year won, no idea on the career.  

I believe Branch had a losing record going into NCAA's in '94 (his freshman year).  I remember seeing it in the NCAA program that year and here's an excerpt from an article I just dug up......

Mark Branch of Oklahoma State reached the NCAA Championship finals four times, placing first in 1994, second in 1995 and 1996, and first in 1997.

Branch entered the 1994 NCAA Championships as a freshman with an 8-9 record and shocked the field by winning the 167-pound bracket. Pat Smith, his Cowboy teammate, made history by becoming the first wrestler to win four NCAA Division I titles in the weight class before Branch, so there was an expectation that Branch would also win four. 

[boconnell]

How about the fact that Jake Rosholt had 20 career losses for his 3 titles (and a 3rd).  He stopped caring about duals and the regular season before it was popular.  

[fishbane]

57 minutes ago, boconnell said:

How about the fact that Jake Rosholt had 20 career losses for his 3 titles (and a 3rd).  He stopped caring about duals and the regular season before it was popular.  

It is the most by a 3x champ, but not by that much.  Nate Carr is 2nd with a a record of 122-17-1, followed by Mark Schultz with a 97-15.  Neither of them were 4x AAs like Rosholt. 

[fishbane]

Mark Branch 13-9

Jake Rosholt 22-9

Jeff Jaggers 28-9

Jeff Walter 34-9

Ernest Benion 29-8

Robbie Waller 31-7

Aaron Holker 32-7

John Lockhard 32-7

Jim Gibbons 32-6-2

Stewart Carter 32-6-2

[Fadzaev2]

On 2/2/2023 at 1:17 PM, ionel said:

 

So what did I win?  Maybe 3 or four roses?  I'm not greedy, happy with a small batch.   

https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+roses+are+red+my+love&oq=youtube+roses+are+red+my+love&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30j0i390l3.12479j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:17caf7b0,vid:8rjPC7-JMUM

 

[fishbane]

Mike Van Arsdale 109-43-2  - Most losses (tied) Most losses and ties

Jeff Walter 98-43  - Most losses (tied) *some sources have 44 Ls

Kirk Trost 136-43

Mark Ellis 91-39

Barry Weldon 104-37

Zach Roberson 106-35

Mark Reiland 105-34-3

Ernest Benion 113-34

Chris Bono 128-34

Michael Macchiavello 69-33

Carl Perry 87-33

Ben Cherrington 93-32

Dean Morrison 106-32-3

Daryl Weber 104-32

Jake Jaggers 105-32 - Most losses by a 2x champ & lowest winning % 2x champ

Aaron Holker 102-31

Rob Rohn 106-31

Jude Skove 131-31-3

Robbie Waller 101-30

Jason Kelber 123-30

Steve Bosak 131-30

Glen Pritzlaff 106-29

Dustin Fox 109-29

Eric Siebert 112-29

Jordan Leen 119-29

Frank Molinaro 121-29

Luke Becker 126-29

Keith Stearns 72-28-3

David Lee 145-28-8

Scott Collins 119-28-3

J.J. MNcGrew 88-28

Steve Marianetti 119-28

Jim Jordan 156-28-1 - 2x champ

Byron Tucker 109-27

Kendall Cross 111-27-3

Mark Munoz 111-27

Chris Barnes 119-27 - 2x Champ

Mitch Clark 119-27

Jarrod King 125-27

Pete Bush 96-27-1

Tony Purler 99-26-1

Tony Purler 99-26

John Hughes 121-26-2

Dwight Gardner 122-26

John Lockhart 123-26

Brad Vering 124-26

Gary Barton 46-25-1 - Lowest Winning % champ

Paul Keysaw 59-25-2

Jim Scherr 109-25-4

Teague Moore 113-25

Marty Kistler 118-25 - 2x Champ

Matt Gentry 138-25

Howard Harris 169-25