Fallacies (list, thoughts, and possible examples)

[ThreePointTakedown]

 

• Argument from incredulity – when someone can't imagine something to be true, and therefore deems it false, or conversely, holds that it must be true because they can't see how it could be false.

This is a failure of imagination or an inability to entertain that a counter point could be correct. Often times this is represented by the ‘common sense’ argument. Because you can make up whatever you want in your own head. 

[mspart]

Biden staff can hardly keep up with him.    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/13/politics/biden-reelection-white-house-karine-jean-pierre-cnntv

Where does this fall on this?

mspart

[Scouts Honor]

taxation helps the city is a fallacy

 

 

[red viking]

15 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

taxation helps the city is a fallacy

 

 

Good luck having a city at all without taxes. Run all govt services w volunteers? 

[Scouts Honor]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Good luck having a city at all without taxes. Run all govt services w volunteers? 

yes, miss the entire point of the post

isn't that a fallacy as well

 

[Viratas]

Since I can clearly see how taxes fund essential public goods like schools, roads, and national defense, it must be true that taxes are an absolutely perfect and maximally efficient mechanism for collective societal improvement. I simply can't imagine a single, realistic alternative for organizing civilization without this indispensable funding stream, and therefore, it's a matter of common sense that the current tax system is beyond reproach or need for reform.

--- That, my friend, is Fallacy

See what I did there....

[Viratas]

27 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

taxation helps the city is a fallacy

 

 

Just when I thought nobody could be dummerer than AOC! 

[Caveira]

24 minutes ago, Viratas said:

Just when I thought nobody could be dummerer than AOC! 

He won’t be re elected.  Approval rating of like 4% or some low #

[mspart]

Taxes are necessary.   But overspending on things that are not necessary, that weren't necessary 10 years ago but "now are" need to be looked at.   WA just raised taxes by another 9 billion.   How much is needed?

mspart

[Caveira]

Illinois tolls were supposed to be temporary. A progressive tax is only supposed to hurt 3% of Illinoisans. Political promises mean little in Illinois. 

“Toll free in ’73.” That was the campaign slogan over five decades ago that promised tolls on Illinois interstates would be a temporaryrevenue sources. Today, the tolls are higher and the tollway authority is more permanent than ever.

Lawmakers promised tolls would help fund 186 miles of interstate construction and would be removed when the roads were paid off. After that, highway maintenance would be funded by the gas tax. In 1968, the General Assembly made the Illinois Toll Highway Authority permanent.

What started at just 10 cents at the exits and 25 cents at the plazas has grown to cost drivers $1.50 for each I-Pass scan. Since 2009, the Illinois Tollway has hiked toll fares four times.

It’s also become an easy way to employ the politically connected and hand out patronage jobs. Governors since the 1980’s have had tollway scandals. Political hires and contracts with friends of politicians from both sides of the aisle have been common at the authority.

So has unwarranted growth.

The Illinois Tollway’s budget for fiscal year 2019 was $1.5 billion. That’s more than double the $680 million budgeted in 2009. A look at the tollway’s revenues during the past decade, adjusted for inflation, shows just how costly the now-permanent agency has become for Illinois drivers. Revenues collected from tolls and fines for missed tolls have gone up 90% in just 10 years.
 

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-tollway-shows-how-political-promises-are-easily-broken/

[red viking]

45 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

Illinois tolls were supposed to be temporary. A progressive tax is only supposed to hurt 3% of Illinoisans. Political promises mean little in Illinois. 

“Toll free in ’73.” That was the campaign slogan over five decades ago that promised tolls on Illinois interstates would be a temporaryrevenue sources. Today, the tolls are higher and the tollway authority is more permanent than ever.

Lawmakers promised tolls would help fund 186 miles of interstate construction and would be removed when the roads were paid off. After that, highway maintenance would be funded by the gas tax. In 1968, the General Assembly made the Illinois Toll Highway Authority permanent.

What started at just 10 cents at the exits and 25 cents at the plazas has grown to cost drivers $1.50 for each I-Pass scan. Since 2009, the Illinois Tollway has hiked toll fares four times.

It’s also become an easy way to employ the politically connected and hand out patronage jobs. Governors since the 1980’s have had tollway scandals. Political hires and contracts with friends of politicians from both sides of the aisle have been common at the authority.

So has unwarranted growth.

The Illinois Tollway’s budget for fiscal year 2019 was $1.5 billion. That’s more than double the $680 million budgeted in 2009. A look at the tollway’s revenues during the past decade, adjusted for inflation, shows just how costly the now-permanent agency has become for Illinois drivers. Revenues collected from tolls and fines for missed tolls have gone up 90% in just 10 years.
 

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/illinois-tollway-shows-how-political-promises-are-easily-broken/

Why you live in that crap city? I think urban areas are great in general (lots to do with fewer rednecks) but Chicago is an exception. It's TOO big and probably the most corrupt city in the country. 

[JimmySpeaks]

29 minutes ago, red viking said:

Why you live in that crap city? I think urban areas are great in general (lots to do with fewer rednecks) but Chicago is an exception. It's TOO big and probably the most corrupt city in the country. 

Unions will do that to a city. 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

Why you live in that crap city? I think urban areas are great in general (lots to do with fewer rednecks) but Chicago is an exception. It's TOO big and probably the most corrupt city in the country. 

 No reason to discuss that with you boss 

[red viking]

43 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Unions will do that to a city. 

Its not the unions. The laws literally allow corruption. Alderpersons get paid off by businesses or the businesses don't get permits. As always, you have no idea what you're talking about. 

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, red viking said:

Its not the unions. The laws literally allow corruption. Alderpersons get paid off by businesses or the businesses don't get permits. As always, you have no idea what you're talking about. 

I don’t think the laws allow bribes.   Most of the ex governors are in jail for bribes lol.   Maddigan (spelling) too 

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

I don’t think the laws allow bribes.   Most of the ex governors are in jail for bribes lol.   Maddigan (spelling) too 

Alderpersons routinely accept bribes in Chicago. Ok, it's technically illegal but the laws are weak, easy to get around, and have limited enforcement.  https://news.wttw.com/2023/11/03/four-peat-chicago-ranks-no-1-corruption-report-finds

[Offthemat]

If you think big city corruption is too daunting to survive then you’d best flee any venture into small town politics. 

[Caveira]

Just now, Offthemat said:

If you think big city corruption is too daunting to survive then you’d best flee any venture into small town politics. 

Thanks for the advice… ha.  Just retire somewhere smaller.   Play acoustic dead tunes in the window of a bar if I’m lucky lol 

Edited Thursday at 08:32 PM by Caveira

[red viking]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/08/24/illinois-chicago-corruption/

[Caveira]

Just now, red viking said:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/08/24/illinois-chicago-corruption/

Chicago is one of the most corrupt cities in the nation.  Crime is rampant too.   

[Scouts Honor]

22 minutes ago, red viking said:

Its not the unions. The laws literally allow corruption. Alderpersons get paid off by businesses or the businesses don't get permits. As always, you have no idea what you're talking about. 

wondering what groups lobby for laws.... 

[Caveira]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

wondering what groups lobby for laws.... 

the unions.  The mayor is a puppet of the biggest one 

[red viking]

Just now, Caveira said:

Chicago is one of the most corrupt cities in the nation.  Crime is rampant too.   

Have you spoken to anybody that tries to start a business there? From what I've heard multiple times, you typically need to pay people off to get permits approved. 

[Caveira]

Just now, red viking said:

Have you spoken to anybody that tries to start a business there? From what I've heard multiple times, you typically need to pay people off to get permits approved. 

Yes.  And don’t forget the gangs.  Shake downs.  Protection money.   Robberies.  The police don’t police much any more either.  

[Scouts Honor]