How murderer was conditioned to think conservatives are fascists.

[Caveira]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Assuming the roommate is actually trans, there has definitely been a push from the right to dehumanize trans folks via the laws, including not allowing them to serve in the military, considering not allowing them to own guns, etc.

If they were just gay, Kirk has also spoken out against gay marriage, and quoted a Bible verse which talked about stoning gays as “God’s perfect law.”

So I’ll rephrase.  Charlie Kirk threatened his trans friend exactly how?

[1032004]

5 minutes ago, Caveira said:

So I’ll rephrase.  Charlie Kirk threatened his trans friend exactly how?

Kirk explicitly stated that trans folks shouldn’t be allowed to serve in the military.

[Caveira]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Kirk explicitly stated that trans folks shouldn’t be allowed to serve in the military.

So they shot him?

 

again.   You literally spend more time trying to litigate against this guy than you show remorse for someone who was murdered for talking.    You will respond but he shouldn’t have been killed then but …. Kirk bad etc.  

[1032004]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

So they shot him?

 

again.   You literally spend more time trying to litigate against this guy than you show remorse for someone who was murdered for talking.    You will respond but he shouldn’t have been killed then but …. Kirk bad etc.  

Good lord dude, does your back hurt from moving the goalposts?  Olbermann was just talking about a possible motive,  not justifying or celebrating the murder.  There is nothing wrong with what he said.

[Bigbrog]

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

Good lord dude, does your back hurt from moving the goalposts?  Olbermann was just talking about a possible motive,  not justifying or celebrating the murder.  There is nothing wrong with what he said.

You keep saying that Charlie Kirk hurt his boyfriend/girlfriend in some way, so when asked you said because Charlie believed that trans folks shouldn't be in the military....HOW in the world is this "hurting" anyone. They won't let me serve in the military because I'm old and fat...should I be mad at someone because of that and think they purposely are trying to hurt me??  Did they guy/girl want to be in the military??

[1032004]

7 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

You keep saying that Charlie Kirk hurt his boyfriend/girlfriend in some way, so when asked you said because Charlie believed that trans folks shouldn't be in the military....HOW in the world is this "hurting" anyone. They won't let me serve in the military because I'm old and fat...should I be mad at someone because of that and think they purposely are trying to hurt me??  Did the guy/girl want to be in the military??

Kirk said numerous things against trans folks, and gay marriage.   There were plenty of reasons for a trans or gay person not to like Charlie Kirk.  Obviously that doesn’t mean they should kill him over it.  Again, Olbermann was just speaking to his motive, not justifying it.

And if anyone asks “yeah but what specifically!!!!” I’m not going to reply because then you’ll claim I’m justifying the murder. 

Edited 6 hours ago by 1032004

[Bigbrog]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Kirk has said numerous things against trans folks, and gay marriage.   There were plenty of reasons for a trans or gay person not to like Charlie Kirk.  Obviously that doesn’t mean they should kill him over it.  Again, Olbermann was just speaking to his motive, not justifying it.

And if anyone asks “yeah but what specifically!!!!” I’m not going to reply because then you’ll claim I’m justifying the murder. 

Ummm...you are the one claiming what Charlie said was "against" trans folks and gay marriage, yet you don't want to explain specifically what was said and in the total context of the conversations he was having at the time.   I personally didn't agree with everything he said (college is a scam, the things he said about Muslims, etc.), but Charlie did not hate anyone, he did not try and oppress anyone, and he was definitely NOT a racist.  All one has to do is to truly listen to what he is saying in the full context of what he is talking about to know those things...again, doesn't mean you have to agree with what he said, but you can't make things up that he said or didn't say just because you don't agree. 

Until you can show ANYWHERE where Charlie wanted to hurt someone you definitely will continue to come off as appearing to try and soften the fact that he was assassinated for having an opinion and openly talking to people about it.

[1032004]

2 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Ummm...you are the one claiming what Charlie said was "against" trans folks and gay marriage, yet you don't want to explain specifically what was said and in the total context of the conversations he was having at the time.   I personally didn't agree with everything he said (college is a scam, the things he said about Muslims, etc.), but Charlie did not hate anyone, he did not try and oppress anyone, and he was definitely NOT a racist.  All one has to do is to truly listen to what he is saying in the full context of what he is talking about to know those things...again, doesn't mean you have to agree with what he said, but you can't make things up that he said or didn't say just because you don't agree. 

Until you can show ANYWHERE where Charlie wanted to hurt someone you definitely will continue to come off as appearing to try and soften the fact that he was assassinated for having an opinion and openly talking to people about it.

Lol.  In your first paragraph you complain about not providing examples, but then in the second you prove my point that you’ll just try to turn it around and claim I’m justifying his death.

You’re also being disingenuous by saying Kirk “didn’t want to hurt anyone.”  I never said he did.   He clearly always advocated against violence.  But he said a lot of things people didn’t like that could have caused people not to like him.   AGAIN, THAT DOESN’T MEAN HE DESERVED TO BE KILLED FOR IT.   If you agree to not claim I’m justifying his murder, I will provide some examples of some of the things he said about trans folks.

 

[Bigbrog]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Lol.  In your first paragraph you complain about not providing examples, but then in the second you prove my point that you’ll just try to turn it around and claim I’m justifying his death.

You’re also being disingenuous by saying Kirk “didn’t want to hurt anyone.”  I never said he did.   He clearly always advocated against violence.  But he said a lot of things people didn’t like that could have caused people not to like him.   AGAIN, THAT DOESN’T MEAN HE DESERVED TO BE KILLED FOR IT.   If you agree to not claim I’m justifying his murder, I will provide some examples of some of the things he said about trans folks.

 

The whole point is, you are coming off as the person who says, "Yeah his death was bad and it shouldn't have happened, BUT......"   There is no "but..."!!  Period!  If you disagree with that then I am not sure how anyone wouldn't think you are trying to soften his assassination or have the thought that somehow Charlie deserved it.

As for you and I debating the things he has said and how they can be interpreted, I'd love to have that civil conversation outside the context of Charlie being assassinated.

[1032004]

5 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

The whole point is, you are coming off as the person who says, "Yeah his death was bad and it shouldn't have happened, BUT......"   There is no "but..."!!  Period!  If you disagree with that then I am not sure how anyone wouldn't think you are trying to soften his assassination or have the thought that somehow Charlie deserved it.

As for you and I debating the things he has said and how they can be interpreted, I'd love to have that civil conversation outside the context of Charlie being assassinated.

This particular conversation started in response to Keith Olbermann.  He was speaking to Robinson’s possible motive, and was not justifying the killing.  In fact he didn’t even get into any detail about what Kirk said. Then @Caveira came in and asked “yeah but how was he a threat???”  

You can’t ask a question then when someone answers it claim they’re justifying murder.

[headshuck]

It’s a bad look for a major influencer to say a brutally murdered person loved by so many is in hell.

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, headshuck said:

It’s a bad look for a major influencer to say a brutally murdered person loved by so many is in hell.

Yes that one was bad which I called out previously.  The clip @Caveira posted recently was not bad.

[fishbane]

On 9/12/2025 at 9:48 PM, red viking said:

One semester at Utah Valley 4 yrs ago (which he obviously didn't enjoy) and 3rd year in an electrical apprenticeship. 

Got it. So which one indoctrinated him into communism? 

This is great. 

Are you talking about Tyler Robinson?  I thought he attended Utah State University not Utah Valley.

[JimmySpeaks]

5 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Kirk explicitly stated that trans folks shouldn’t be allowed to serve in the military.

And he’s not entitled to that opinion? 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 hours ago, fishbane said:

Are you talking about Tyler Robinson?  I thought he attended Utah State University not Utah Valley.

Nope. Utah Valley