Who unalived Charlie?

[Tripnsweep]

Looking at this, not from trying to figure out why, because I'll get to that, but who and how. If you look at the layout of where it happened, as best as anyone can determine now, there was a clear line of sight from where they think the shooter was. 200 yards straight down from a several story building, into a courtyard that was probably recessed another 20 feet. 

This wasn't some amateur like the guy who took a shot at Trump. I think that the fact there was one shot says that. Whoever it was, definitely a pro. You'd need to be highly trained to make that shot. I don't think this was a civilian at all. It just doesn't fit the profile. 

Why can't they find them or what happened? It seems like whoever did it had it well rehearsed, because they left no evidence behind, no gun or shell casings anyone is aware of. I'll go out on a limb and say it's possible they even had a plan to direct attention towards the other two suspects who got detained. 

Whoever it was who did it, I don't think they were in it for attention or anything strictly political. Nobody would want to claim responsibility, but I don't think that doing this is about politics strictly. It just seems very strange. They worked alone, evaded being caught, and with that known, I don't think they would leave much of a trail to follow. Even the pictures and video of somebody on the roof, you can't really see anything. So if that was even the person, they can't even get a description. No height, weight, etc. 

Just looking at it, this feels professional. If it was political only or out of rage, I think somebody would have been clouded by anger, had lapses in judgement, made mistakes, etc. Somebody wanted this guy dead for some reason. It just seems too cold, too calculated to have been revenge or something like that. Looking at recent political assassinations, like Minnesota, they caught the guy pretty quickly. The guy was looney tunes, left evidence, made mistakes, etc. This was in front of a few thousand people in broad daylight, and they didn't catch the shooter? 

If the FBI and Utah police are on top of things, they should be looking at airports, bus terminals, any footage of people leaving by car, tracking down license plates, etc. Whoever did it, they would want to put serious distance between the scene and themselves as quickly as possible. 

So I guess we'll see. 

[Paul158]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

Looking at this, not from trying to figure out why, because I'll get to that, but who and how. If you look at the layout of where it happened, as best as anyone can determine now, there was a clear line of sight from where they think the shooter was. 200 yards straight down from a several story building, into a courtyard that was probably recessed another 20 feet. 

This wasn't some amateur like the guy who took a shot at Trump. I think that the fact there was one shot says that. Whoever it was, definitely a pro. You'd need to be highly trained to make that shot. I don't think this was a civilian at all. It just doesn't fit the profile. 

Why can't they find them or what happened? It seems like whoever did it had it well rehearsed, because they left no evidence behind, no gun or shell casings anyone is aware of. I'll go out on a limb and say it's possible they even had a plan to direct attention towards the other two suspects who got detained. 

Whoever it was who did it, I don't think they were in it for attention or anything strictly political. Nobody would want to claim responsibility, but I don't think that doing this is about politics strictly. It just seems very strange. They worked alone, evaded being caught, and with that known, I don't think they would leave much of a trail to follow. Even the pictures and video of somebody on the roof, you can't really see anything. So if that was even the person, they can't even get a description. No height, weight, etc. 

Just looking at it, this feels professional. If it was political only or out of rage, I think somebody would have been clouded by anger, had lapses in judgement, made mistakes, etc. Somebody wanted this guy dead for some reason. It just seems too cold, too calculated to have been revenge or something like that. Looking at recent political assassinations, like Minnesota, they caught the guy pretty quickly. The guy was looney tunes, left evidence, made mistakes, etc. This was in front of a few thousand people in broad daylight, and they didn't catch the shooter? 

If the FBI and Utah police are on top of things, they should be looking at airports, bus terminals, any footage of people leaving by car, tracking down license plates, etc. Whoever did it, they would want to put serious distance between the scene and themselves as quickly as possible. 

So I guess we'll see. 

This was a political assassination plain and simple. This was a very skilled hired assassin. There are literally thousands of these out there for hire. An American political group outsourced this killing to people outside of our country. Probably went through 10 or 12 channels in order to make it impossible to trace it back to the political party. They may find the killer but will never be able to trace it back to those who ordered the killing. I highly doubt they find the killer; he long gone and already out of the country. This was a very high-level professional hit on a conservative speaker. If you can't beat your opponent's fair and square you can always resort to murdering them.

[red viking]

7 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

An American political group outsourced this killing to people outside of our country. Probably went through 10 or 12 channels...

You're an idiot. Charlie wasn't nearly that important. I actually didn't even know who he was,but I did recognize his face from trolling liberal (mostly just college kids) on YouTube videos. 

[jross]

Kirk was dangerous in that he was a huge influence on minds.  That is enough.

He had multiple people challenge him to fight at his debates and more than a few death threats based on the offense people took.  Simple truths like a man is not a woman can inflame.

There is rumor that about a particular foreign government.

When throwing out conspiracy… how about this being done on purpose to stoke anger.  Then we’d need a big target on the left that appears as revenge.  When you get the people angry… they might support policies that further restrict autonomy.

The part that confuses me is if a civilian is rationale enough to meticulously plan and execute their getaway, that they would be irrational enough to take offense to Kirk.

But I am not smart.  I do not understand how leftist like the sport of wrestling…

[jross]

9 minutes ago, red viking said:

You're an idiot. Charlie wasn't nearly that important. I actually didn't even know who he was,but I did recognize his face from trolling liberal (mostly just college kids) on YouTube videos. 

You are wrong on his importance.  Not MLK but known by millions!

Edited 2 hours ago by jross

[red viking]

1 minute ago, jross said:

You are wrong on his importance.

He was just another right wing extremist activist/entertainer. There's no shortage of them. 

[Tripnsweep]

19 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

This was a political assassination plain and simple. This was a very skilled hired assassin. There are literally thousands of these out there for hire. An American political group outsourced this killing to people outside of our country. Probably went through 10 or 12 channels in order to make it impossible to trace it back to the political party. They may find the killer but will never be able to trace it back to those who ordered the killing. I highly doubt they find the killer; he long gone and already out of the country. This was a very high-level professional hit on a conservative speaker. If you can't beat your opponent's fair and square you can always resort to murdering them.

It's entirely possible, but who would realistically want him dead or why? He wasn't particularly important. 

[Bigbrog]

Just now, Tripnsweep said:

It's entirely possible, but who would realistically want him dead or why? He wasn't particularly important. 

PLEASE....STOP....POSTING 

[Paul158]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

You're an idiot. Charlie wasn't nearly that important. I actually didn't even know who he was,but I did recognize his face from trolling liberal (mostly just college kids) on YouTube videos. 

 

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

You're an idiot. Charlie wasn't nearly that important. I actually didn't even know who he was,but I did recognize his face from trolling liberal (mostly just college kids) on YouTube videos. 

Thanks Red I really appreciate your support. Charlie was very impactful to the college students at many of the colleges he spoke at. He encouraged the young adults to question their professors and teachers who had liberal leaning politics. The colleges had free rein to indoctrinate these students for decades. Charlie new that and tried to change that. He had open discourse with the students when he visited their colleges. Charlie was making a difference. Just look how the 18 to 30 year old group of voters has changed over the last 10 years.

[jross]

9 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

It's entirely possible, but who would realistically want him dead or why? He wasn't particularly important. 

What is your definition of important?

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Paul158 said:

 

Thanks Red I really appreciate your support. Charlie was very impactful to the college students at many of the colleges he spoke at. He encouraged the young adults to question their professors and teachers who had liberal leaning politics. The colleges had free rein to indoctrinate these students for decades. Charlie new that and tried to change that. He had open discourse with the students when he visited their colleges. Charlie was making a difference. Just look how the 18 to 30 year old group of voters has changed over the last 10 years.

He lied to them 100x more than any professor. 

Seems like a nice guy and this was wrong and sad but he wasn't great for our society overall. Saying that is going too far. Wingers loved him but liberals saw through the dishonesty. 

[jross]

Don’t know who he is but definitely a strong possibility.

 

[jross]

 

[jross]

reason for conspiracy 

 

[El Luchador]

15 minutes ago, red viking said:

He was just another right wing extremist activist/entertainer. There's no shortage of them. 

What exactly made him extreme? Believing a man has a dick? Thinking traditional families benefit America? Believing government is wasteful? Believing in Jesus?  

[Paul158]

3 minutes ago, jross said:

Don’t know who he is but definitely a strong possibility.

 

Thanks for finding someone that is putting all this in words of truth.

[jross]

helped jd vance

 

[jross]

Just now, El Luchador said:

What exactly made him extreme? Believing a man has a dick? Thinking traditional families benefit America? Believing government is wasteful? Believing in Jesus?  

His Christian values and support for the US constitution is extreme to some.

[JimmySpeaks]

8 minutes ago, red viking said:

He lied to them 100x more than any professor. 

Seems like a nice guy and this was wrong and sad but he wasn't great for our society overall. Saying that is going too far. Wingers loved him but liberals saw through the dishonesty. 

Actually you’re wrong. He won Trump the election because he convinced many wokesters how stupid their views were.  It’s why he was killed.  He was very very effective 

[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

What exactly made him extreme? Believing a man has a dick? Thinking traditional families benefit America? Believing government is wasteful? Believing in Jesus?  

His anti wokeness 

Edited 1 hour ago by JimmySpeaks

[red viking]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Actually you’re wrong. He won Trump the election because he convinced many wokesters how stupid their views were.  It’s why he was killed.  He was very very effective 

Getting Trump elected is very bad

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Getting Trump elected is very bad

For you anyway.  

[El Luchador]

And it's being reported the ammo had pro tranny messaging on it. The cartridge was never ejected and still chambered.

[Doublehalf]

24 minutes ago, jross said:

 I do not understand how leftist like the sport of wrestling…

This is an unfortunate statement... It would be like a liberal saying I don't understand why a conservative would ever watch a movie...

We are at the point that people are wholly identifying themselves and basing their persona on their political party... People of different political beliefs are more than able to enjoy sports/entertainment that people opposite of their political ideology also enjoy.

Politics should be about policy disagreements, not a persons entire identity. This goes to show how deep this notion has penetrated you as a person that you are unable to conceive of those that disagree with you politically to not also enjoy the sport of wrestling and its a shame.

[El Luchador]

1 minute ago, Doublehalf said:

This is an unfortunate statement... It would be like a liberal saying I don't understand why a conservative would ever watch a movie...

We are at the point that people are wholly identifying themselves and basing their persona on their political party... People of different political beliefs are more than able to enjoy sports/entertainment that people opposite of their political ideology also enjoy.

Politics should be about policy disagreements, not a persons entire identity. This goes to show how deep this notion has penetrated you as a person that you are unable to conceive of those that disagree with you politically to not also enjoy the sport of wrestling and its a shame.

I don't watch movies except very rarely, almost no television, and if they start with their leftist crap I immediately turn it off. I'd rather watch something educational on YouTube.