Trump's DOJ wants to criminalize free speech

[red viking]

I'm still waiting for an example of what a " certain action" could be that isn't already illegal and not protected by 1st amendment. 

[WrestlingRasta]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

That's already illegal though. Putting others in danger. Understand that? Very simple concept.  I'm asking you once again to come up w a "certain action" that is flag specific and not already illegal. Pointless to ban something that is already illegal. 

Illegal yes, investigated and prosecuted....not so much.  Which is precisely the point of the EO, for the AG to review cases for laws that may have been broken in the process.  This is where reading comprehension, or as it appears in this case reading it in the first place, comes into play.

[jross]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

Outlawing any actions that are specific to the flag but not non-u.s. flags is unconstitutional.  

Agreed.  But that isn't what is occurring or even being discussed as occurring in the article.

[red viking]

1 minute ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Illegal yes, investigated and prosecuted....not so much.  Which is precisely the point of the EO, for the AG to review cases for laws that may have been broken in the process.  This is where reading comprehension, or as it appears in this case reading it in the first place, comes into play.

So how about just enforce current laws? Rather than feel the need to pass new laws or e.o.s and selectively enforce only those and ignore other ones that ban the exact same stuff. What you're proposing makes zero sense. AND only when it's a flag but not a different piece of fabric? Absolutely stupid idea. 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

I think the Trumpanzees here are trying to draw a false equivalent to doing things that are already illegal, like torching a car, to burning a US flag, which in most cases is not illegal. 

 

But most of the times you see this it's on a public street or sidewalk blocking traffic and includes some type of dangerous lighter fluid. 

 

If you want to burn your own US flag then why not do it in your own back yard in your own fire put and use utube or ttoc etc if want to make a free speech statement? 

Edited 3 hours ago by ionel

[Caveira]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

1st amendment. It's free speech if its my own fabric and i dont put somebody in danger ( smoke, flames, etc). Just like with any other fabric. 

Burning flags have I forgot what they’re bc called.    Flames 

[Caveira]

10 minutes ago, red viking said:

So how about just enforce current laws? Rather than feel the need to pass new laws or e.o.s and selectively enforce only those and ignore other ones that ban the exact same stuff. What you're proposing makes zero sense. AND only when it's a flag but not a different piece of fabric? Absolutely stupid idea. 

Similar to immigration laws ?   Like when Biden couldn’t close the boarder without new laws and Trump just closed the boarder and enforces existing laws?

[red viking]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Similar to immigration laws ?   Like when Biden couldn’t close the boarder without new laws and Trump just closed the boarder and enforces existing laws?

Another winger defection. They're nonstop. Trying to change the subject when losing. 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

Another winger defection. They're nonstop. Trying to change the subject when losing. 

You’re only allowed to ignore laws your team doesn’t like ?    Or are all laws supposed to be obeyed ?

[red viking]

51 minutes ago, Caveira said:

You’re only allowed to ignore laws your team doesn’t like ?    Or are all laws supposed to be obeyed ?

Apples and oranges. Most of us agree that laws should be enforced. Has zero to do with creating a new e.o. You don't need that to enforce existing laws. You need to think. 

[Caveira]

Just now, red viking said:

Apples and oranges. Most of us agree that laws should be enforced. Has zero to do with creating a new e.o. You don't need that to enforce existing laws. You need to think. 

Those sanctuary cities.   

[red viking]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Those sanctuary cities.   

So if the smoke is so light ( eg just a nuisance) or they don't throw it in the garbage when done burning and the local cops don't do anything about it, you think the fbi should come in and arrest the flag burner? 

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, red viking said:

Apples and oranges. Most of us agree that laws should be enforced. Has zero to do with creating a new e.o. You don't need that to enforce existing laws. You need to think. 

Then stop burning flags and SUVs in public streets!

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, red viking said:

So if the smoke is so light ( eg just a nuisance) or they don't throw it in the garbage when done burning and the local cops don't do anything about it, you think the fbi should come in and arrest the flag burner? 

I prefer deporting illegal aliens.  Idk about flag burning.   Just don’t block traffic stand in the street etc 

[Tripnsweep]

3 hours ago, ionel said:

But most of the times you see this it's on a public street or sidewalk blocking traffic and includes some type of dangerous lighter fluid. 

 

If you want to burn your own US flag then why not do it in your own back yard in your own fire put and use utube or ttoc etc if want to make a free speech statement? 

I guess that means fireworks shouldn't be allowed then. Or any public use of other pyrotechnics, smoke effects, etc. 

You're trying to draw parallel a constitutionally protected form of public protest with something that any sane person would recognize as a criminal act. That is a disingenuous argument which to me says you've got nothing to defend this. Just innuendo. 

[jross]

5 hours ago, red viking said:

That's already illegal though. Putting others in danger. Understand that? Very simple concept.  I'm asking you once again to come up w a "certain action" that is flag specific and not already illegal. Pointless to ban something that is already illegal. 

Reports on a proposed EO indicated it raises priority / attention to criminal behavior surrounding flag burning, not the legal act of burning the flag.  An EO is not law...