All Quarter-Century Bracket: 165

[BruceyB]

165	2005	2008	2018	2024
1st	Johny Hendricks	Mark Perry	Vincenzo Joseph	David Carr
2nd	Mark Perry	Eric Tannenbaum	Isaiah Martinez	Mitchell Mesenbrink
3rd	Troy Letters	Nick Marable	Evan Wick	Keegan O'Toole
4th	Ryan Churella	Mack Lewnes	Chance Marstellar	Michael Calideno
5th	John Sioredas	Moza Fay	David McFadden	Isaac Olejnik
6th	Matt Nagel	Michael Cannon	Alex Marinelli	Hunter Garvin
7th	Tyron Woodley	Jonathan Reader	Jonathon Chavez	Peyton Hall
8th	Matt Palmer	Stephen Dwyer	Chandler Rogers	Antrell Taylor

 

It will be extremely interesting to see where the 2024 bracket winds up in WKN's all time points list when they have all completed their careers. I'm not saying it's the toughest weight, but they will have racked up a LOT of tournament points when they it's all said and done. 

I'm sure some of you will argue for other weights that should be considered, but 165 tends to be very top heavy without a lot of depth many years.

[Ragu]

2018 for now. 2024 has some catching up to do. Although not much…

[flyingcement]

2024 also had Hamiti who did not place!  That's where I voted

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 hours ago, BruceyB said:

165	2005	2008	2018	2024
1st	Johny Hendricks	Mark Perry	Vincenzo Joseph	David Carr
2nd	Mark Perry	Eric Tannenbaum	Isaiah Martinez	Mitchell Mesenbrink
3rd	Troy Letters	Nick Marable	Evan Wick	Keegan O'Toole
4th	Ryan Churella	Mack Lewnes	Chance Marstellar	Michael Calideno
5th	John Sioredas	Moza Fay	David McFadden	Isaac Olejnik
6th	Matt Nagel	Michael Cannon	Alex Marinelli	Hunter Garvin
7th	Tyron Woodley	Jonathan Reader	Jonathon Chavez	Peyton Hall
8th	Matt Palmer	Stephen Dwyer	Chandler Rogers	Antrell Taylor

 

It will be extremely interesting to see where the 2024 bracket winds up in WKN's all time points list when they have all completed their careers. I'm not saying it's the toughest weight, but they will have racked up a LOT of tournament points when they it's all said and done. 

I'm sure some of you will argue for other weights that should be considered, but 165 tends to be very top heavy without a lot of depth many years.

2024 is a tough one to place because you have a bunch of guys who got five tournaments and had their highest ever finish in the fifth year (Carr, Olejnik, Hall) and O'Toole with a third place. I am sure there are some others in the non-AA spots. I will have to take a more in depth look tomorrow.

[BruceyB]

5 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

2024 is a tough one to place because you have a bunch of guys who got five tournaments and had their highest ever finish in the fifth year (Carr, Olejnik, Hall) and O'Toole with a third place. I am sure there are some others in the non-AA spots. I will have to take a more in depth look tomorrow.

I was considering the 5th year points as a part of why they would be one of the highest scoring brackets ever. But to be fair, Olejnik and Carr each still only had 4 tournaments, and you could just take away the points that Hall and O'Toole earned their TRFR years, assuming they would have redshirted otherwise, for a more accurate picture.

Unless we are going to take away Aaron Brooks' fourth title, we can't discredit Olejnik and Carr for their extra year of eligibility after losing their 2020 tournament.

[Wrestleknownothing]

31 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I was considering the 5th year points as a part of why they would be one of the highest scoring brackets ever. But to be fair, Olejnik and Carr each still only had 4 tournaments, and you could just take away the points that Hall and O'Toole earned their TRFR years, assuming they would have redshirted otherwise, for a more accurate picture.

Unless we are going to take away Aaron Brooks' fourth title, we can't discredit Olejnik and Carr for their extra year of eligibility after losing their 2020 tournament.

My bad. I was looking at the NQ and forgetting it was 2020.

But with regard to O'Toole and Hall, it is not clear to me they would have taken a redshirt year under different circumstances. Many people have pointed out that studs want to go, they don't want to sit. But even if they would have redshirted I think having a fifth tournament is an advantage in that fifth tournament as long as it does not come with injury (Eierman).

[bnwtwg]

10 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

My bad. I was looking at the NQ and forgetting it was 2020.

But with regard to O'Toole and Hall, it is not clear to me they would have taken a redshirt year under different circumstances. Many people have pointed out that studs want to go, they don't want to sit. But even if they would have redshirted I think having a fifth tournament is an advantage in that fifth tournament as long as it does not come with injury (Eierman).

KOT and Smith and Askren have all confirmed the plan for KOT was to redshirt his true frosh year, but they collectively decided that rather than going to JV opens they decided to go against real competition when the eligibility rules were announced.

[bnwtwg]

2024 featured five (and counting??) previous or future NCAA champions. A better analysis would be comping against the 2008 149 bracket. KOT and MM would be 4 timers if it weren't for the triangle of death between those 2 and Carr. All three are legitimate world title threats - no one will beat Burroughs but multiple world medals between multiple wrestlers speaks volumes to the depth of the bracket.

[Wrestleknownothing]

The 2023 bracket rules the roost (for now). The only substantive difference between 2023 and 2024 is the swap of Shane Griffith for Mitchell Mesenbrink. Once Mesenbrink completes his four years it is likely that 2024 will surpass 2023.

[bnwtwg]

29 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The 2023 bracket rules the roost (for now). The only substantive difference between 2023 and 2024 is the swap of Shane Griffith for Mitchell Mesenbrink. Once Mesenbrink completes his four years it is likely that 2024 will surpass 2023.

There's times when one has to simply turn off the logical and analytical part of the brain and go with the eye test. 5 champs>4 and this is one of the rare times I must simply disagree with you. Additionally 2023 is top-heavy whereas 2024 featured at least 12 AAs if memory serves from a hazy conversation last March.