Trump keeps getting punked by Putin

[JimmySpeaks]

Wokester Wingers don’t want to believe what’s real. 

[mspart]

Ukraine wanted to be part of NATO and there was some consideration for that.   Putin didn't like that and started this war to prevent it and gain a buffer.   But I think that has been acknowledged and Russia could back out and not have a NATO'd Ukraine as a neighbor.  

I don't think Ukraine is demanding to be part of NATO anymore.   If they are, I think NATO recognizes this would incite more war.   This is really a war of conquest.   Russia wants control of Ukraine.   Ukraine doesn't want that.   Left to themselves Russia would have taken them over easily.   What would the next target be?   Ukraine may be lost as a result or they may be partitioned, but the war has been disastrous for both countries and it would be crazy for Putin to try this again on some other former Soviet satellite.  

mspart

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

Ukraine wanted to be part of NATO and there was some consideration for that.   Putin didn't like that and started this war to prevent it and gain a buffer.   But I think that has been acknowledged and Russia could back out and not have a NATO'd Ukraine as a neighbor.  

I don't think Ukraine is demanding to be part of NATO anymore.   If they are, I think NATO recognizes this would incite more war.   This is really a war of conquest.   Russia wants control of Ukraine.   Ukraine doesn't want that.   Left to themselves Russia would have taken them over easily.   What would the next target be?   Ukraine may be lost as a result or they may be partitioned, but the war has been disastrous for both countries and it would be crazy for Putin to try this again on some other former Soviet satellite.  

mspart

I do not trust that Putin has the same definition of crazy as the rest of us. 

[mspart]

15 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I do not trust that Putin has the same definition of crazy as the rest of us. 

Point taken. 

mspart

[red viking]

2 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/13/europe/zelensky-nato-vilnius-explainer-intl

Read the first line under what Zelensky wants.  The putz demanded it then backtracked like you always accuse the Orange Man of doing 

 

Ok, so the author said he was "demanding " it. Did Zelensky actually say that though? You just keep accepting whatever u want to believe. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Ok, so the author said he was "demanding " it. Did Zelensky actually say that though? You just keep accepting whatever u want to believe. 

You telling someone else to just keep accepting whatever you want to believe is downright priceless.  

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

You telling someone else to just keep accepting whatever you want to believe is downright priceless.  

You claimed he "demanded" it so back up your bs claim w an actual quote. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

You claimed he "demanded" it so back up your bs claim w an actual quote. 

• June 25, 2025: Speaking at a NATO summit in The Hague, Zelenskyy reiterated Ukraine's desire for full Euro-Atlantic integration, including NATO membership. However, reports indicated Ukraine was not invited to join the alliance at the summit itself, nor was it mentioned in the final communiqué, according to Euromaidan Press.

 

• February 23, 2025:Zelenskyy stated he would be willing to "give up" his presidency in exchange for Ukraine's NATO membership if it meant achieving peace.

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

• June 25, 2025: Speaking at a NATO summit in The Hague, Zelenskyy reiterated Ukraine's desire for full Euro-Atlantic integration, including NATO membership. However, reports indicated Ukraine was not invited to join the alliance at the summit itself, nor was it mentioned in the final communiqué, according to Euromaidan Press.

 

• February 23, 2025:Zelenskyy stated he would be willing to "give up" his presidency in exchange for Ukraine's NATO membership if it meant achieving peace.

Those aren't "demands." Not even close. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Those aren't "demands." Not even close. 

Semantics boss.  Your holding onto a thread 

[JimmySpeaks]

https://carnegieendowment.org/programs/nuclear-policy/proliferation-news/zelenskys-demand-nato-or-nuclear-weapons-proliferation-news-102224?lang=en
 

 

Someone obviously doesn’t understand what demands are.  

[red viking]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Semantics boss.  Your holding onto a thread 

Demands and asks are very different. A 1st grader knows that. 100% FAIL. 

[red viking]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

https://carnegieendowment.org/programs/nuclear-policy/proliferation-news/zelenskys-demand-nato-or-nuclear-weapons-proliferation-news-102224?lang=en
 

 

Someone obviously doesn’t understand what demands are.  

Another fail. He didn't demand to be part of NATO. You're just drinking other peoples Kool aid. 

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

https://carnegieendowment.org/programs/nuclear-policy/proliferation-news/zelenskys-demand-nato-or-nuclear-weapons-proliferation-news-102224?lang=en
 

 

Someone obviously doesn’t understand what demands are.  

Show me the quote where he demanded to be part of NATO. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Demands and asks are very different. A 1st grader knows that. 100% FAIL. 

I can hear you angrily breathing while you respond.   

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Another fail. He didn't demand to be part of NATO. You're just drinking other peoples Kool aid. 

Zelensky demands a lot.  Of course that was up until Trump put him in his place.  

[JimmySpeaks]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Demands and asks are very different. A 1st grader knows that. 100% FAIL. 

That’s why most of the articles (there are plenty more) use the word demands.  Right?  

Edited Wednesday at 01:05 AM by JimmySpeaks

[red viking]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

That’s why most of the articles (there are plenty more) use the word demands.  Right?  

You should learn to read. Waiting for a quote from him that shows a "demand" to join NATO. STILL WAITING. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

You should learn to read. Waiting for a quote from him that shows a "demand" to join NATO. STILL WAITING. 

Look up what a list of demands is and get back to me.  Google is your friend.  

[red viking]

10 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+a+list+of+demands&sca_esv=ac66f5ff5ce53028&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS1057US1057&hl=en-US&sxsrf=AE3TifNosYCmAiNmhHLJJVK0P38kGYZT_Q%3A1752628603438&ei=e_12aMTAGvGU5OMP992SsQw&oq=what+is+a+list+of+demands&gs_lp=EhNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwIhl3aGF0IGlzIGEgbGlzdCBvZiBkZW1hbmRzKgIIATIJEAAYsAMYChgeMgcQABiwAxgeMgkQABiwAxgIGB4yDhAAGIAEGLADGIYDGIoFMggQABiwAxjvBTILEAAYgAQYsAMYogRI_TFQAFgAcAB4AJABAZgBe6AB1QGqAQMxLjG4AQHIAQCYAgGgAl-YAwCIBgGQBgaSBwExoAeACrIHATG4B1_CBwMyLTHIBwM&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

Then Google the difference between a,demand and want. Countless articles explaining the difference. There are actually multiple differences. 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, red viking said:

Then Google the difference between a,demand and want. Countless articles explaining the difference. There are actually multiple differences. 

All those articles using the word demand must all be wrong huh?  Just because you say so 

[red viking]

4 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

All those articles using the word demand must all be wrong huh?  Just because you say so 

He said he'd like to be part of NATO. That's an ask. It's very simple. Never implied he would force it to happen. 

You did a Google search and cherry picked whatever you could find that used that word but 99% of the statements say he wants it or asked for it. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:39 AM by red viking

[JimmySpeaks]

8 minutes ago, red viking said:

He said he'd like to be part of NATO. That's an ask. It's very simple. Never implied he would force it to happen. 

You did a Google search and cherry picked whatever you could find that used that word but 99% of the statements say he wants it or asked for it. 

That Google search was the first thing that popped up sooooooo 

[WrestlingRasta]

4 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

It’s 100% correct that Ukraine is demanding to be part of NATO.  

 

4 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Making a TRUE statement is far from parroting anything for anyone.  Anyone thinking otherwise is what’s dumb. 

 

4 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

There will never be peace if Ukraine becomes part of NATO. 

If you didn’t get so emotional you wouldn’t send these back to back to back posts, and you’d be able to think things through before hitting send.   But take a breath and let me see if I can help you through this.  
 

First, what was incorrect was you saying I forgot Ukraine wanted into NATO, as I tried to explain to you that is simply part of Ukraine protecting their sovereignty.  Further with that, and second, Ukraine’s desire to enter NATO is not a demand to Russia to end the war.  Nor it is a demand that to anyone. They are seeking entrance. Entrance which multiple countries must vote on.   What you are apparently to dumb to understand is that Russia does not have a say to let Ukraine into NATO.  You see, Russia is not a part of NATO, they do not have a vote in the matter.  Rather it is Russia saying Ukraine cannot seek entrance into NATO if Russia were to end their invasion.  Why would Russia  care if they were a part of NATO if they did not seek to take their land.   This is not a demand from Ukraine, but rather a refusal of that demand from Russia, again, as a matter of Ukraine protecting their own sovereignty.  Even Zalensky after snorting a couple lines of blow is not dumb enough to think Putin is just gonna back off for good, particularly when he is demanding the country he is trying to invade gives up their military.  As for your line of “there will never be peace if Ukraine becomes a part of NATO”….well, congratulations.  You’ve just officially aligned yourself with the propaganda from a socialist totalitarian regime that you pretend to despise….at least when it gives you some warm fuzzies that is.  Do you still have your CCCP sweater fresh and handy? 
 

Run back to the playground little fella, and when you come back inside pay a little closer attention to your history. You’re not quite ready for the grown up table yet.  

Edited Wednesday at 02:18 AM by WrestlingRasta

[JimmySpeaks]

31 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

 

 

If you didn’t get so emotional you wouldn’t send these back to back to back posts, and you’d be able to think things through before hitting send.   But take a breath and let me see if I can help you through this.  
 

First, what was incorrect was you saying I forgot Ukraine wanted into NATO, as I tried to explain to you that is simply part of Ukraine protecting their sovereignty.  Further with that, and second, Ukraine’s desire to enter NATO is not a demand to Russia to end the war.  Nor it is a demand that to anyone. They are seeking entrance. Entrance which multiple countries must vote on.   What you are apparently to dumb to understand is that Russia does not have a say to let Ukraine into NATO.  You see, Russia is not a part of NATO, they do not have a vote in the matter.  Rather it is Russia saying Ukraine cannot seek entrance into NATO if Russia were to end their invasion.  Why would Russia  care if they were a part of NATO if they did not seek to take their land.   This is not a demand from Ukraine, but rather a refusal of that demand from Russia, again, as a matter of Ukraine protecting their own sovereignty.  Even Zalensky after snorting a couple lines of blow is not dumb enough to think Putin is just gonna back off for good, particularly when he is demanding the country he is trying to invade gives up their military.  As for your line of “there will never be peace if Ukraine becomes a part of NATO”….well, congratulations.  You’ve just officially aligned yourself with the propaganda from a socialist totalitarian regime that you pretend to despise….at least when it gives you some warm fuzzies that is.  Do you still have your CCCP sweater fresh and handy? 
 

Run back to the playground little fella, and when you come back inside pay a little closer attention to your history. You’re not quite ready for the grown up table yet.  

I do it just so you clowns will all write a book back to me.  Works on you kids every time.