Is this acceptable? Is this smart?

[uncle bernard]

32 minutes ago, ionel said:

As should be.  Police have been shot by folk approaching their cruiser.  You should never approach a police car from behind and show your hands so they know you have nothing in them.  

It's not a good thing that you have to approach cops like they're dangerous animals. They're supposed to protect us, not the other way around.

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

It's not a good thing that you have to approach cops like they're dangerous animals. They're supposed to protect us, not the other way around.

He didn’t have to approach the officer at all.  The takes y’all get sometimes are pretty mind boggling.  

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Caveira said:

He didn’t have to approach the officer at all.  The takes y’all get sometimes are pretty mind boggling.  

Again, you should be able to approach a police officer like he's a human being, not a dangerous animal. No other Western Democracy has this issue, at least to this degree.

This is the consequence of training our officers with occupation tactics. They view the civilian populace as an inherently hostile force looking to harm them. It's not a coincidence that a huge portion of our nation's police forces receive training from the IDF or former IDF members.

Here's a fun anecdote: A cop once pulled his gun on me. He saw me speeding. Instead of putting his lights on and pulling me over, he followed me into a parking lot. Once I parked, he put his lights on (no siren) and pulled up behind me. By that time, I was reaching to my passenger seat floor to grab a bag. I got out of the car without realizing he was there. He immediately pulled his gun and yelled at me to get back in the car.

This was in a Midwest suburb with a literal ZERO percent murder rate. Yet, this cop behaved like he was in Fallujah stopping a suspicious vehicle. It's a fundamentally dangerous worldview for a police officer to have.

Being a cop comes with risk. That's what you sign up for. You are committing to public service. Part of that service is putting the public safety ahead of your own. That means you shouldn't be drawing your gun at every sudden movement or unexpected approach from a stranger. If I manage to avoid doing that everyday, I think it's fair to expect our police officers to do the same.

[Caveira]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

Again, you should be able to approach a police officer like he's a human being, not a dangerous animal. No other Western Democracy has this issue, at least to this degree.

This is the consequence of training our officers with occupation tactics. They view the civilian populace as an inherently hostile force looking to harm them. It's not a coincidence that a huge portion of our nation's police forces receive training from the IDF or former IDF members.

Here's a fun anecdote: A cop once pulled his gun on me. He saw me speeding. Instead of putting his lights on and pulling me over, he followed me into a parking lot. Once I parked, he put his lights on (no siren) and pulled up behind me. By that time, I was reaching to my passenger seat floor to grab a bag. I got out of the car without realizing he was there. He immediately pulled his gun and yelled at me to get back in the car.

This was in a Midwest suburb with a literal ZERO percent murder rate. Yet, this cop behaved like he was in Fallujah stopping a suspicious vehicle. It's a fundamentally dangerous worldview for a police officer to have.

Being a cop comes with risk. That's what you sign up for. You are committing to public service. Part of that service is putting the public safety ahead of your own. That means you shouldn't be drawing your gun at every sudden movement or unexpected approach from a stranger. If I manage to avoid doing that everyday, I think it's fair to expect our police officers to do the same.

So many words.  No reason to suspiciously sneak up on a police car like that.  Your take is not appropriate.  

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Caveira said:

So many words.  No reason to suspiciously sneak up on a police car like that.  Your take is not appropriate.  

Why does that matter? It's not illegal. Should we not hold police officers to a higher standard than random civilians?

[Caveira]

13 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Why does that matter? It's not illegal. Should we not hold police officers to a higher standard than random civilians?

You’re just being ridiculous.  The officer did nothing wrong.  If this were Fallujah like you alluded to that idiot would be dead.  
 

where do the police get the impression violent rioters mean them harm.  I have no idea…. it’s probably a figment of their imagination right?

[1032004]

24 minutes ago, Caveira said:

So many words.  No reason to suspiciously sneak up on a police car like that.  Your take is not appropriate.  

Doesn’t seem obvious it was a police car.  Are you backing off your prior claim  that it didn’t have to be a police car?

[JimmySpeaks]

For their own protection masks are fine.  Especially when dealing with professional anarchists.  

[Scouts Honor]

 

[Bigbrog]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Again, you should be able to approach a police officer like he's a human being, not a dangerous animal. No other Western Democracy has this issue, at least to this degree.

This is the consequence of training our officers with occupation tactics. They view the civilian populace as an inherently hostile force looking to harm them. It's not a coincidence that a huge portion of our nation's police forces receive training from the IDF or former IDF members.

Here's a fun anecdote: A cop once pulled his gun on me. He saw me speeding. Instead of putting his lights on and pulling me over, he followed me into a parking lot. Once I parked, he put his lights on (no siren) and pulled up behind me. By that time, I was reaching to my passenger seat floor to grab a bag. I got out of the car without realizing he was there. He immediately pulled his gun and yelled at me to get back in the car.

This was in a Midwest suburb with a literal ZERO percent murder rate. Yet, this cop behaved like he was in Fallujah stopping a suspicious vehicle. It's a fundamentally dangerous worldview for a police officer to have.

Being a cop comes with risk. That's what you sign up for. You are committing to public service. Part of that service is putting the public safety ahead of your own. That means you shouldn't be drawing your gun at every sudden movement or unexpected approach from a stranger. If I manage to avoid doing that everyday, I think it's fair to expect our police officers to do the same.

Tell me you know nothing about how police are trained without telling me you know nothing about how police are trained.

By the way, the way YOU acted (reaching for something in the door and getting out) is what prompted the response from the police officer when he was conducting a traffic stop...funny how people like you always conveniently overlook the behavior leading up to a reaction.  Also, the police DO NOT have to use their siren to pull someone over.  And how in the heck would one not realize a cop with their lights on were behind them...I'm calling BS on that one.  YOU are the one with a dangerous worldview of police officers and THAT is the problem!

[Caveira]

4 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Doesn’t seem obvious it was a police car.  Are you backing off your prior claim  that it didn’t have to be a police car?

This is your claim.  You posted the tweet.    I said the officer did nothing wrong.  You shed no opinions and just played passive aggressive.   
 

you obviously don’t care for this officers safety.  

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

This is your claim.  You posted the tweet.    I said the officer did nothing wrong.  You shed no opinions and just played passive aggressive.   
 

you obviously don’t care for this officers safety.  

Lol.

The person did nothing to indicate he posed any danger, despite you stating definitively he was a “violent protester.” 

You also implied that it was acceptable for anyone to point a gun at someone crouching behind their car (I tried to get clarification which you have not provided).

My opinion is that no one, law enforcement officers included, should point a gun at someone for crouching behind their car.   

[Scouts Honor]

5 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Why does that matter? It's not illegal. Should we not hold police officers to a higher standard than random civilians?

now put yourself in the car

[Scouts Honor]

4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Lol.

The person did nothing to indicate he posed any danger, despite you stating definitively he was a “violent protester.” 

You also implied that it was acceptable for anyone to point a gun at someone crouching behind their car (I tried to get clarification which you have not provided).

My opinion is that no one, law enforcement officers included, should point a gun at someone for crouching behind their car.   

sneaking up on the car.

i wonder what would be the purpose of that?

[1032004]

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1 hour ago, Bigbrog said:

Tell me you know nothing about how police are trained without telling me you know nothing about how police are trained.

By the way, the way YOU acted (reaching for something in the door and getting out) is what prompted the response from the police officer when he was conducting a traffic stop...funny how people like you always conveniently overlook the behavior leading up to a reaction.  Also, the police DO NOT have to use their siren to pull someone over.  And how in the heck would one not realize a cop with their lights on were behind them...I'm calling BS on that one.  YOU are the one with a dangerous worldview of police officers and THAT is the problem!

He said the lights weren’t on until he was already parked and reaching for something under the seat.

 

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

sneaking up on the car.

i wonder what would be the purpose of that?

To take a picture of the license plate…

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Lol.

The person did nothing to indicate he posed any danger, despite you stating definitively he was a “violent protester.” 

You also implied that it was acceptable for anyone to point a gun at someone crouching behind their car (I tried to get clarification which you have not provided).

My opinion is that no one, law enforcement officers included, should point a gun at someone for crouching behind their car.   

you have no idea his intent as the police chased him away.    And you are wrong… he did “nothing”.   “Nothing” is not approaching the car crouched in a very suspicious manner.   it is that suspicious af behavior gives reason to be worried wtf is that guy doing in the middle of live traffic right behind my car.   

You are probably one of those that think you shouldn’t be able to use a gun to defend your property in your home from home invaders.  

[Caveira]

16 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

He said the lights weren’t on until he was already parked and reaching for something under the seat.

I was driving between work meetings once.  Busy 2-4 lane highway but residential meaning there were red light stops every mile or few miles or so.   I was speeding.   Everyone speeds on this road.   
 

police stopped me.  I saw the lights.  I don’t know if he had a siren on or not but I don’t remember one.  I was taught for officer safety don’t pull over right away on roads like that …. For safety.  Avg speed 45-55+ let’s say.   Google says speed limit is 45.   I was prolly going 55-60.   But I sure as shyte was speeding.  

sooo.  I had to drive let’s say 30:45:60 ish seconds to this little road to turn off on.  Which is what I did.   The passenger was a black guy.  
 

when he pulled up.   He immediately got his gun out and made me get out of the car.  Lots of police yelling sounds.    When I calmly explained to him why I did what I did he put it away.  I said yes sir.  No sir.   Sorry sir.  Treated him with respect.  He let me go with a warning.  He didn’t even shoot or bother the black guy.  Weird.    
 

I didn’t go away butt hurt.  Treat them with respect you will get treated with respect back.  
 

he thought I was fleeing. He didn’t know my intentions.   I left with a warning.   

[1032004]

28 minutes ago, Caveira said:

you have no idea his intent as the police chased him away.    And you are wrong… he did “nothing”.   “Nothing” is not approaching the car crouched in a very suspicious manner.   it is that suspicious af behavior gives reason to be worried wtf is that guy doing in the middle of live traffic right behind my car.   

You are probably one of those that think you shouldn’t be able to use a gun to defend your property in your home from home invaders.  

If he really thought he was in danger, he should have just drove away.  Especially if the vehicle was actually equipped with sirens so that he could easily run the red light.  If the “danger” is on foot and you’re in a running vehicle, getting out of the car seems stupid.  

You can use a gun to defend your property from home invaders.  Not if someone knocks on your door like Andrew Lester did to Ralph Yarl.  So you’re kinda proving my point: crouching behind a car is not remotely comparable to breaking into a home.

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

If he really thought he was in danger, he should have just drove away.  Especially if the vehicle was actually equipped with sirens so that he could easily run the red light.  If the “danger” is on foot and you’re in a running vehicle, getting out of the car seems stupid.  

You can use a gun to defend your property from home invaders.  Not if someone knocks on your door like Andrew Lester did to Ralph Yarl.  So you’re kinda proving my point: crouching behind a car is not remotely comparable to breaking into a home.

He’s the police.  It’s not his job to run away.  Sheesh.  

[1032004]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

He’s the police.  It’s not his job to run away.  Sheesh.  

It’s not his job to point guns at anyone that gets too close to him either.

I will say it’s possible it was a taser, which wouldn’t make it quite as bad.

Edited 7 hours ago by 1032004

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

It’s not his job to point guns at anyone that gets too close to him either.

I will say it’s possible it was a taser, which wouldn’t make it quite as bad.

Ya come around that tight corner.   Not seeing or having a clear view of what the suspect has or is doing.    Or his intentions.   Sure.   You do you boss.   

I don’t agree.    There is 0 reason for that idiot to be behind the officers car.  There is 0 reason to snap pics of his plate.   There is zero reason to crouch up to the car.   He’s lucky the officer had restraint.  Some of the more aggressive ones may have tackled him.   Sure they would let him go “if” he didn’t have a weapon.   But notice I said if.  The idiot may have had one the vid cuts out as they edit it down to the smallest portion possible to make the Leo look bad on whatever emotional news network this was on.  

[1032004]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Ya come around that tight corner.   Not seeing or having a clear view of what the suspect has or is doing.    Or his intentions.   Sure.   You do you boss.   

I don’t agree.    There is 0 reason for that idiot to be behind the officers car.  There is 0 reason to snap pics of his plate.   There is zero reason to crouch up to the car.   He’s lucky the officer had restraint.  Some of the more aggressive ones may have tackled him.   Sure they would let him go “if” he didn’t have a weapon.   But notice I said if.  The idiot may have had one the vid cuts out as they edit it down to the smallest portion possible to make the Leo look bad on whatever emotional news network this was on.  

The reason was to take a picture of the license plate

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

The reason was to take a picture of the license plate

Which he had no business doing.   We all agree on that.  He was doing that to expose the officer and his family and get left wing bats to doxx him or do harm to his family.  
 

You appear to be ok with that.    But… the officer doesn’t know that in the split second he has to decide what to do.  Oooh and driving away would be interesting with another car directly in front of him to your other nonsense point.  

[1032004]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Which he had no business doing.   We all agree on that.  He was doing that to expose the officer and his family and get left wing bats to doxx him or do harm to his family.  
 

You don’t know why he was taking the picture.  You should stop making assumptions 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

You don’t know why he was taking the picture.  You should stop making assumptions 

You don’t know anything about it either other than the trimmed down video target to get the emotional response out of.   Well you.   Which worked.   So even Steven.  
 

Either way.  It doesn’t matter why in the end.  You don’t have to know up front why some mf’er is right on your bumper in live traffic.  Get out make sure your first safe and investigate.   Which was done.  The officer chased him away and no one was harmed.  
 

you sure hate the police.