I was assured no one is above the law

[scourge165]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

It literally says they don’t even need to have the warrant on them.    Just have to say they have one and post struggle name the charges.  
 

do you think they are required to carry it with them at all times?

 

also.  Did the illegal demand the warrant.   Or some random dude.  You keep not answering that part.  

Absofcknlutely they are. 

If they're going out on a MISTEMEANOR arrest for a non-violent offender(which would be Mist) they have to PRESENT the warrant.

 

 

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

 

What I'm saying is  

 

 

35 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

He wasn't "some rando." He was an elected official.

 

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Another good one:

 

No — even if that random dude is a U.S. Senator, federal agents aren’t required to show or provide the warrant to him, unless he is the subject of that warrant. Here's why:

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Federal Rule 4 — Who Gets the Warrant?

• Rule 4(c)(3)(A) clearly states officers must inform the defendant that a warrant exists and specify the offense. If the defendant requests to see the physical warrant, it must be shown to that person “as soon as possible” 

• The rule does not require officers to present the warrant to bystanders, even if they’re public figures like senators .

Quote

Yes — in the U.S., a warrant is generally required to arrest someone for a misdemeanor that the officer did not witness, though there are exceptions for felonies or if the officer saw the misdemeanor happen.

 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Absofcknlutely they are. 

If they're going out on a MISTEMEANOR arrest for a non-violent offender(which would be Mist) they have to PRESENT the warrant.

 

 

Please cite the law. 

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

It's amazing to me how the right has gone from being suspicious of the Federal Govt' smaller Government to licking the boots of ICE Agents!

 

LOL...it's...amazing. From Ruby Ridge to now, 'nah, they don't actually NEED warrants for Misdemeanor arrests! 

 

62% of all Americans want every single illegal alien deported.   Seems like you can’t handle it happening And want to resist every single attempt.    
 

i would have preferred that rando elected guy get charged too.  That would be the right thing to do imo.  

[scourge165]

• ICE did not present a judicial warrant, though an agent vaguely waved a paper and claimed they had it — in reality it was likely an administrative warrant politifact.com.

 

So...they lied. They didn't have it "in their pocket." And THAT'S why the Governor had the magical ability to get Pam Bondi, the US AG to "drop the charges," where she had...no actual authority. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, scourge165 said:

• ICE did not present a judicial warrant, though an agent vaguely waved a paper and claimed they had it — in reality it was likely an administrative warrant politifact.com.

 

So...they lied. They didn't have it "in their pocket." And THAT'S why the Governor had the magical ability to get Pam Bondi, the US AG to "drop the charges," where she had...no actual authority. 

It says above.  Several times.
 

They’re not required to show some random dude anything.    They could have waved a cheese sandwich in his face.   I don’t think that it is relevant.  

[scourge165]

5 minutes ago, Caveira said:

62% of all Americans want every single illegal alien deported.   Seems like you can’t handle it happening And want to resist every single attempt.    
 

i would have preferred that rando elected guy get charged too.  That would be the right thing to do imo.  

More made up nonsense...

And he did nothing wrong so there was nothing to charge him with. Your preferences are moot. 

 

 

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About one-third of Americans want every undocumented immigrant deported, while views vary more broadly regarding partial or no deportations.

Here’s a snapshot:

• A March 2025 Pew Research Center poll found:

  • 32% of U.S. adults believe all immigrants living in the country illegally should be deported.

  • 51% favor deporting some.

  • 16% believe none should be deported ft.com+15pewresearch.org+15pewresearch.org+15apnews.com+4vox.com+4reddit.com+4pewresearch.org+1breitbart.com+1.

• An Ipsos/Axios poll from early 2025 reported that 66% of Americans say they support deporting immigrants who are in the country illegally (though it didn’t specify whether all or some) .

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Interpretation

• Roughly one-third of Americans favor deporting everyone in the country illegally.

• The majority are split between those supporting partial removal vs. no removal.

• Support varies dramatically across political lines—e.g., around 54% of Republicans push for total deportations, compared to only 10% of Democrats .

 

You also have to be a special brand of stupid to want that and to not understand what that'd do to the economy. That'd have a 1.5-3 TRILLION dollar impact to the economy in one year if you JUST could Thanos your way and snap your fingers and get rid of every undocumented immigrant. 

 

I told you idiots what would happen. Trump would claim victory and he'd start giving out work exemptions. I said this a couple months ago when Nebraska was talking about how much their agriculture industry was hurting due to these policies. 

The prices of produce, manufacturing...

 

Even still, the 62% is a ridiculous number. 

Edited 14 hours ago by scourge165

[Caveira]

Just now, scourge165 said:

More bull*I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*e;

 

 

You also have to be a special brand of stupid to want that and to not understand what that'd do to the economy. That'd have a 1.5-3 TRILLION dollar impact to the economy in one year if you JUST could Thanos your way and snap your fingers and get rid of every undocumented immigrant. 

 

I told you idiots what would happen. Trump would claim victory and he'd start giving out work exemptions. I said this a couple months ago when Nebraska was talking about how much their agriculture industry was hurting due to these policies. 

The prices of produce, manufacturing...

 

Even still, the 62% is a ridiculous number. 

“Cheese Sandwich” Scenario & Arrest Law

Let’s say federal officers are arresting “illegal alien A” and a local senator storms in, demanding to see the warrant. The officers wave a literal cheese sandwich at him and say, “Here—here’s your warrant!” Meanwhile, they proceed to arrest “illegal alien A”, who actually is named in the real warrant. How does the law view that?

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 Who has the right to the warrant?

Only the person named in the warrant (here, “illegal alien A”) has the legal right to:

• Be informed of the existence of a warrant and the offense, and

• See the physical warrant when requested

A random bystander—even a senator—has no legal standing to demand or view it .

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 Lying to the senator / waving a cheese sandwich

• The warrant belongs to Illegal alien A; it doesn’t need to be shown to anyone else.

• Officers aren’t obliged to satisfy the senator’s demand, nor validate his demand with anything real.

• Waving a cheese sandwich instead of a warrant is not legally required or disallowed—but it plays no role in complying with the law.

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 Could that be illegal?

• Officers can deceive bystanders — but twisting the truth about having a warrant or to manipulate consent can lead to Fourth Amendment violations (e.g., Bumper v. North Carolina, Hadley v. Williams)

• Here, they aren’t lying to person A—they’re simply not responding to the senator’s non-existent legal right.

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 Is there any potential harm?

• The arrest itself is lawful so long as the real warrant is valid and person A is properly informed .

• Deceiving the senator doesn’t void the arrest or its legality.

• However, if they had used the sandwich trick to enter a home or gain consent, that could trigger suppression of evidence—especially if it was used to bypass legal protections .

[scourge165]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

It says above.  Several times.
 

They’re not required to show some random dude anything.    They could have waved a cheese sandwich in his face.   I don’t think that it is relevant.  

LOL...I know exactly what you're saying. 

You're now licking the boots of federal agents and don't think they should even provide a warrant for a MISTEMEANOR!!

You think I'm emotionally invested in this one incident and you're just not smart enough to understand it's the abuse of power. The lying about having a warrant, claiming they have one but refusing to show it.

 

As I said, I hope they don't step in any dog crap when you're licking their boots. Now...all done with this one. 

 

Just showing ONCE AGAIN where the right is just comically hypocritical. 

[scourge165]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

 Lying to the senator / waving a cheese sandwich

• The warrant belongs to Illegal alien A; it doesn’t need to be shown to anyone else.

So... again, they DO need to show the illegal alien, they didn't, they lied about having one, they had an administrative warrant.

 

Thank you for accidentally proving that ICE doesn't have to follow any laws at this point. 

[Caveira]

Just now, scourge165 said:

LOL...I know exactly what you're saying. 

You're now licking the boots of federal agents and don't think they should even provide a warrant for a MISTEMEANOR!!

You think I'm emotionally invested in this one incident and you're just not smart enough to understand it's the abuse of power. The lying about having a warrant, claiming they have one but refusing to show it.

 

As I said, I hope they don't step in any dog crap when you're licking their boots. Now...all done with this one. 

 

Just showing ONCE AGAIN where the right is just comically hypocritical. 

Stop debating facts and resort to name calling when you realize you aren’t right.  
 

booooot lickers!!!!!!!!

 

i thought y’all wanted due process.  Now your getting it and booooooottttttt licker lol.  

[1032004]

12 minutes ago, Caveira said:

62% of all Americans want every single illegal alien deported.  

 

 

Link?

[1032004]

12 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

• ICE did not present a judicial warrant, though an agent vaguely waved a paper and claimed they had it — in reality it was likely an administrative warrant politifact.com.

 

So...they lied. They didn't have it "in their pocket." And THAT'S why the Governor had the magical ability to get Pam Bondi, the US AG to "drop the charges," where she had...no actual authority. 

My understanding is that technically they do only need an “administrative warrant,” but apparently that’s just something ICE creates.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

Link?

Man.  It’s 66 now lol 

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/majority-americans-support-deporting-immigrants-who-are-us-illegally

[scourge165]

Just now, Caveira said:

Stop debating facts and resort to name calling when you realize you aren’t right.  
 

booooot lickers!!!!!!!!

 

i thought y’all wanted due process.  Now your getting it and booooooottttttt licker lol.  

Dude, I pointed out that you were full of crap about 62% wanting evey illegal alien deported and you responded with a cheese sandwich and a Senator.

We're past the comptroller, we have been for a while. 

 

I posted that you need to have a warrant for a Mist arrest.

YOU posted that they need to present the warrant.

I posted they lied about the type of warrant they have. 

I posted links showing nowhere NEAR 62% want all illegal immigrants deported and then pointed out the disaster that'd cause the economy(Which is why Trump is ALREADY doing his typical TACO and talking about not deporting those who are working here.

 

But you think I'm not arguing facts!

LOL...nope. I argued them and then just concluded that you no longer seem to care about the unchecked Federal Authority that the conservatives have CLAIMED to care about for...decades upon decades. 

[ionel]

[scourge165]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

My understanding is that technically they do only need an “administrative warrant,” but apparently that’s just something ICE creates.

Yeah, but then they're lying by saying they have one in their pocket. 

 

5 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Link?

He won't post it as it'll be some poll where they only or primarily only poll conservatives. 

 

It's a joke. And that's even high for the right, so probably a poll from...Florida or Texas only. 

[Caveira]

Just now, scourge165 said:

Yeah, but then they're lying by saying they have one in their pocket. 

Read this slowly 

the elected official is entitled to jack shyte nothing.  His ask is bubkus.   The police can lie to him all day and twice on Sunday.   The only person that matters is the person named in the warrant.  
 

read it twice before posting.  Have a cheese sandwich.   Read it one more time.   Then post your reaction.   Put a shyte emoji on this response when you’re done with the sandwich.   Use artisan cheese.  It’s better.  

[Tripnsweep]

36 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Link?

www.ijustmakethingsuptosoundsmart.com

 

[Offthemat]

30 minutes ago, ionel said:

Brevity is the soul of wit. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Offthemat said:

Brevity is the soul of wit. 

 

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

www.ijustmakethingsuptosoundsmart.com

 

Boss.  A link was posted.  

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Boss.  A link was posted.  

LMFAO!!!

It's funny how obviously transparent you are. 

62% want "Every single illegal alien," and here's a poll that asks who broadly supports deporting illegal immigrants and even says . However, that support drops significantly if caveats are added...

Probably like "every single illegal immigrant," and of course, "Illegal=undocumented," so that'd include the dreamers and they have overwhelming support. 

 

It's Jimmy/Scouts and Caveira who KNOW they're lying and still post the link anyway!

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/12/trump-immigration-migrant-farmers-hotel-workers-deported/84166061007/

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

LMFAO!!!

It's funny how obviously transparent you are. 

62% want "Every single illegal alien," and here's a poll that asks who broadly supports deporting illegal immigrants and even says . However, that support drops significantly if caveats are added...

Probably like "every single illegal immigrant," and of course, "Illegal=undocumented," so that'd include the dreamers and they have overwhelming support. 

 

It's Jimmy/Scouts and Caveira who KNOW they're lying and still post the link anyway!

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/12/trump-immigration-migrant-farmers-hotel-workers-deported/84166061007/

You already lost your main argument.  Don’t try to change the topic.