Quote by a senator 197 years ago

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

John C. Calhoun was a horrible person who was a political giant in the first half of the 19th century.  There is much to despise about him, but this 1828 quote sounds eerily familiar:

“Our government is deeply disordered; its credit is impaired; its debt increasing; its expenditures extravagant and wasteful; its disbursements without efficient accountability; and its taxes (for duties are but taxes) enormous, unequal, and oppressive to the great producing classes of the country.”  - John C. Calhoun

I'm not looking at this from a left/right perspective.  I'm noting that many Americans were complaining about the same stuff 200 years ago.

[red viking]

Its out of control. Sad that the wingers support our ballooning deficit and don't actually want cuts to ANY of the big programs.  

I actually favor cuts to Medicare, social security and especially our far bloated military. The wingers aren't true conservatives like I am when they only want to cut small stuff like usaid, npr and planned parenthood. 

[JimmySpeaks]

Stopping spending $151 billion per year on unlawfuls would certainly help. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

14 minutes ago, red viking said:

Its out of control. Sad that the wingers support our ballooning deficit and don't actually want cuts to ANY of the big programs.  

I actually favor cuts to Medicare, social security and especially our far bloated military. The wingers aren't true conservatives like I am when they only want to cut small stuff like usaid, npr and planned parenthood. 

I blame both sides to an extent, but: Who has been in charge for 12 of the past 16 years?

[Scouts Honor]

17 minutes ago, red viking said:

Its out of control. Sad that the wingers support our ballooning deficit and don't actually want cuts to ANY of the big programs.  

I actually favor cuts to Medicare, social security and especially our far bloated military. The wingers aren't true conservatives like I am when they only want to cut small stuff like usaid, npr and planned parenthood. 

lol

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I blame both sides to an extent, but: Who has been in charge for 12 of the past 16 years?

Biden definitely sucked at that but GOP right now is making it way worse and ignoring the alarm bells in bond market. 

I don't believe the democrats have generally had 100% power in recent years like the wingers currently have. 

[Scouts Honor]

cut small stuff.

i can think of some programs to get rid of.

and medicare, SS and military are none of them.

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Scouts Honor said:

cut small stuff.

i can think of some programs to get rid of.

and medicare, SS and military are none of them.

Exactly. But that's the vast majority of the budget so even eliminating the pidly programs does jack squat. 

You're a perfect example of the flawed math of the wingers. 

Edited 8 hours ago by red viking

[Bigbrog]

3 hours ago, red viking said:

Exactly. But that's the vast majority of the budget so even eliminating the pidly programs does jack squat. 

You're a perfect example of the flawed math of the wingers. 

So many things wrong with this...for someone who claims cutting the smaller programs as not doing "jack squat" shows your lack of understanding of...well anything.  Yet alone claim some group of people's (the mythical "wingers") math is flawed...how???  Less of something is pretty easy math. 

Finally...as I posted in another thread, you keep repeating the same idiotic things about not going to after the larger programs and this is unequivocally not true...as with all your other crazy claims, PROVE IT!  Show us anywhere that indicates DOGE is NOT going after some of the programs you keep regurgitating about over and over and over... 

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So many things wrong with this...for someone who claims cutting the smaller programs as not doing "jack squat" shows your lack of understanding of...well anything.  Yet alone claim some group of people's (the mythical "wingers") math is flawed...how???  Less of something is pretty easy math. 

Finally...as I posted in another thread, you keep repeating the same idiotic things about not going to after the larger programs and this is unequivocally not true...as with all your other crazy claims, PROVE IT!  Show us anywhere that indicates DOGE is NOT going after some of the programs you keep regurgitating about over and over and over... 

The proof is the GOP budget. Makes cuts to small programs but increases overall budget and deficit. Bond market is suffering as a result.  Go look at the bill and bond market investors are being very open re why they are dumping their bonds. 

[red viking]

4 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So many things wrong with this...for someone who claims cutting the smaller programs as not doing "jack squat" shows your lack of understanding of...well anything.  Yet alone claim some group of people's (the mythical "wingers") math is flawed...how???  Less of something is pretty easy math. 

Finally...as I posted in another thread, you keep repeating the same idiotic things about not going to after the larger programs and this is unequivocally not true...as with all your other crazy claims, PROVE IT!  Show us anywhere that indicates DOGE is NOT going after some of the programs you keep regurgitating about over and over and over... 

What has DOGE cut to social security, defense or Medicare as % of those budgets. It's miniscul and a joke. 

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, red viking said:

Biden definitely sucked at that but GOP right now is making it way worse and ignoring the alarm bells in bond market. 

I don't believe the democrats have generally had 100% power in recent years like the wingers currently have. 

Ummmmm democrats had total control for Bidens first two years in office.  Good grief it wasn’t even that long ago. 

[red viking]

6 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Ummmmm democrats had total control for Bidens first two years in office.  Good grief it wasn’t even that long ago. 

Another winger lie. Senate was 50/50. I also used the term "generally." 

Edited 4 hours ago by red viking

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Another winger lie. Senate was 50/50. I also used the term "generally." 

With the VP as the deciding vote.  

[Bigbrog]

7 minutes ago, red viking said:

The proof is the GOP budget. Makes cuts to small programs but increases overall budget and deficit. Bond market is suffering as a result.  Go look at the bill and bond market investors are being very open re why they are dumping their bonds. 

That is not proof of what DOGE is doing or going to do...why is that hard to understand.  How long has DOGE been operating?  Holy crap man...do you honestly expect DOGE to have looked completely at every single program in the government system and given its final recommendations in less than a year since starting...and thus DOGE should be shut down by now??  Seriously?!!?

And keep saying bond market over and over maybe something magical will happen.  

[JimmySpeaks]

8 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Ummmmm democrats had total control for Bidens first two years in office.  Good grief it wasn’t even that long ago. 

You used the term “ in recent years”. 

[red viking]

Just now, Bigbrog said:

That is not proof of what DOGE is doing or going to do...why is that hard to understand.  How long has DOGE been operating?  Holy crap man...do you honestly expect DOGE to have looked completely at every single program in the government system and given its final recommendations in less than a year since starting...and thus DOGE should be shut down by now??  Seriously?!!?

And keep saying bond market over and over maybe something magical will happen.  

Because budget is actually getting bigger while DOGE makes tiny cuts. They aren't gonna save us and bond investors can see that, even if wingers are blind. 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

That is not proof of what DOGE is doing or going to do...why is that hard to understand.  How long has DOGE been operating?  Holy crap man...do you honestly expect DOGE to have looked completely at every single program in the government system and given its final recommendations in less than a year since starting...and thus DOGE should be shut down by now??  Seriously?!!?

And keep saying bond market over and over maybe something magical will happen.  

It’s going to take all four years for doge to get to all the corruption 

[red viking]

6 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

It’s going to take all four years for doge to get to all the corruption 

And the cow jumped over the moon. Already 4 mo. In and negligible documented savings as % of overall budget. 

[Bigbrog]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

And the cow jumped over the moon. Already 4 mo. In and negligible documented savings as % of overall budget. 

Reread what you just wrote over and over...here I'll emphasis the main point

[red viking]

Just now, Bigbrog said:

Reread what you just wrote over and over...here I'll emphasis the main point

They haven't done barely anything yet except made bogus claims. Keep hoping and assuming though. That Kool aid must taste good. 

[Bigbrog]

6 minutes ago, red viking said:

They haven't done barely anything yet except made bogus claims. Keep hoping and assuming though. That Kool aid must taste good. 

Now it is that haven't done anything except make bogus claims....I thought you said they have made cuts to programs that are small in percentage comparable to the overall budget...did they or did they not do that already in 4 months??  Or was it just "bogus claims"??  

What is this kool aid you are talking about?  Is it drinking kool aid to call you out on your completely unprovable comments that you just keep repeating over and over??

[red viking]

Just now, Bigbrog said:

Now it is that haven't done anything except make bogus claims....I thought you said they have made cuts to programs that are small in percentage comparable to the overall budget...did they or did they not do that already in 4 months??  Or was it just "bogus claims"??  

What is this kool aid you are talking about?  Is it drinking kool aid to call you out on your completely unprovable comments that you just keep repeating over and over??

You need to read. What DOGE is doing is different from GOP budget but neither cut the budget. Federal budget growth actually accelerating under the GOP. 

[Caveira]

18 minutes ago, red viking said:

And the cow jumped over the moon. Already 4 mo. In and negligible documented savings as % of overall budget. 

Why is Chuck Schumer blaming doge for the Mexican navy ship hitting the Brooklyn bridge if doge isn’t working?

[GreatWhiteNorth]

And the new trillion+ dollar Golden Dome? With the first $175 Billion over the next 3 years already Trump approved.

100 DOGE's couldn't keep up with all the new spending.

There was never any intention to balance the budget by this administration. Never. It was all smoke and mirrors. We are clearly going even deeper in debt, while the politicians line their pockets on the way there.

Musk really just wanted to get the government's data - that was his prize. Why do you think Trump is asking that the internal documents of DOGE be kept secret from the public?