Why is this 2+2?

[okokzach]

I don't understand how this is a turn. 

[BruceyB]

8 minutes ago, okokzach said:

I don't understand how this is a turn. 

I think they're saying he established the takedown when he gained control of both legs and then turned him with a lace(ish). I don't have that strong of a feeling on it either way, as I can see the argument for both.

Edit: Unless you're questioning whether or not their is exposure? But for that I would say he went hand to hand and that's 2.

Edited yesterday at 02:16 AM by BruceyB

[wrestle87]

Because the freestyle ruleset is intentionally created to give maximum interpretive power to the officials, which equals open doors for financially incentivized shenanigans.

Half of the referees would have scored it the other way.

This is where the freestyle ruleset blows, it’s thoroughly subjective.  

 

[Dark Energy]

Thanks for posting.  I can’t see how the 2nd 2 are real points. 

[MNRodent]

I wondered about this one too, as it happened.  Kharchla threw the brick back to Stieber, so he must have somewhat agreed with the ref.

[Scouts Honor]

maybe he ddin't want to be down an extra point? not sure about time and score.

in THAT clip it does not look like 2 and 2

[Crotalus]

Starocci scored a similar 2+2 against Marsteller.

It's not wrong, technically. But I always thought it was strange that if you expose them right after the takedown (but they have not yet gotten to a defensive position) you get 2+2. But if you expose them first and then secured the "takedown", for example a chest wrap where the opponent then bellies out and you spin around on top, you only get 2 for exposure and no takedown points are awarded.

[oldschool]

37 minutes ago, Crotalus said:

It's not wrong, technically. But I always thought it was strange that if you expose them right after the takedown (but they have not yet gotten to a defensive position) you get 2+2. But if you expose them first and then secured the "takedown", for example a chest wrap where the opponent then bellies out and you spin around on top, you only get 2 for exposure and no takedown points are awarded.

100% this

[Gene Mills Fan]

I think it was technically having the left hand/arm on the mat and then turning to the right hand. I think technically hand to hand is 2 exposure even if it looks vertical. But the right was just a tap and it is subjective then.

Edited 10 hours ago by Gene Mills Fan

[okokzach]

52 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

I think it was technically having the left hand/arm on the mat and then turning to the right hand. I think technically hand to hand is 2 exposure even if it looks vertical. But the right was just a tap and it is subjective then.

That's interesting, thanks for explaining. My immediate reaction is I hate that as a hard and fast rule lol 

[Gene Mills Fan]

3 minutes ago, okokzach said:

That's interesting, thanks for explaining. My immediate reaction is I hate that as a hard and fast rule lol 

not sure if I'm correct but I think thats the way it works in a lace