What happens to wrestlers in the transfer portal who don't get picked up?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Do they just quit wrestling or go back to their old team?

[TNwrestling]

34 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Do they just quit wrestling or go back to their old team?

what do you think jimmy? use your big boy brain and think super hard. 

[Boring]

47 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Do they just quit wrestling or go back to their old team?

Ritual suicide. 

[Winners Circle]

54 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Do they just quit wrestling or go back to their old team?

**Breaks up with girlfriend**

**Can't find new girlfriend**

"Hey I couldn't find a new girlfriend, so I'm coming back to you." 

[Boring]

7 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

**Breaks up with girlfriend**

**Can't find new girlfriend**

"Hey I couldn't find a new girlfriend, so I'm coming back to you." 

I've seen that happen many times, actually. 

[Winners Circle]

Just now, Boring said:

I've seen that happen many times, actually. 

It was a joke buddy. I guess it went over your head. 

[Boring]

Just now, Winners Circle said:

It was a joke buddy. I guess it went over your head. 

I know it was a joke (not much of one) and it's something I've seen happen many times. 

 

[Winners Circle]

8 minutes ago, Boring said:

I know it was a joke (not much of one) and it's something I've seen happen many times. 

 

I bet you're a joy to have a beer with...

[strange_daze]

Walk on somewhere and prove their worth. Then, get paid.

 

[Winners Circle]

1 minute ago, strange_daze said:

Walk on somewhere and prove their worth. Then, get paid.

 

Not that easy or simple anymore. Power 4 teams (and some others) have a 30 man roster cap and each athlete must be on a full scholarship. Most of the one's who are worth something (or have proven they are worth something) will already be picked up. The ones who have limited resumes (haven't proven their worth) will not be able to walk-on to a power 4 school, period because walk-ons no longer exist at the power 4 teams. And for the schools not opted into revenue sharing, they're still battling with the 9.9 scholarship thing. So it's not as easy as just showing up and proving your worth anymore. Coaches literally can't afford to 'take a chance on a kid'. 

[Boring]

2 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

I bet you're a joy to have a beer with...

I am. That's because I know actual funny jokes. 

[No BS Fan]

47 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

Not that easy or simple anymore. Power 4 teams (and some others) have a 30 man roster cap and each athlete must be on a full scholarship. Most of the one's who are worth something (or have proven they are worth something) will already be picked up. The ones who have limited resumes (haven't proven their worth) will not be able to walk-on to a power 4 school, period because walk-ons no longer exist at the power 4 teams. And for the schools not opted into revenue sharing, they're still battling with the 9.9 scholarship thing. So it's not as easy as just showing up and proving your worth anymore. Coaches literally can't afford to 'take a chance on a kid'. 

That's not they way I read the agreement. Don't think everyone has to be on scholarship. It says that school may offer 30. 

[Winners Circle]

11 minutes ago, No BS Fan said:

That's not they way I read the agreement. Don't think everyone has to be on scholarship. It says that school may offer 30. 

Sorry, I just assumed that if a school has 30 scholarships, they will use all of them. But yes, I guess they technically do not have to use all of the resources given to them. 

[No BS Fan]

I don't think they have to use 9.9 now. IMO I don't see every OPT IN school giving anywhere near 30 full scholarships for wrestling. Let's say a team has 40 on roster. Giving 9.9 means 30 are paying the school. Now change that to 30 on full ride. I just don't see it happening.    

[Winners Circle]

8 minutes ago, No BS Fan said:

I don't think they have to use 9.9 now. IMO I don't see every OPT IN school giving anywhere near 30 full scholarships for wrestling. Let's say a team has 40 on roster. Giving 9.9 means 30 are paying the school. Now change that to 30 on full ride. I just don't see it happening.    

Why would a coach, who's JOB IS TO WIN, not use all the resources given to them? They do not care who's paying the school. They care about landing recruits that they feel like can help them win, and if they don't care about landing high level recruits, they are likely going to be fired. In fact, I think it would look terrible in the eyes of the administration if a coach doesn't use all the scholarships given to them. If you leave some scholarships on the table, you better win the team title, otherwise there's more you could have done to win.

Edited 1 hour ago by Winners Circle

[No BS Fan]

Because the school tells the coach they can't afford to pay a non profit sport an extra 1 million a year. 20 more $50K scholarships vs 30 kids paying some sort of tuition. I may be way off on this but the team's without 100000 seat football venue or a consistent elite 8 plus basketball team are going to struggle. I don't think this is going to be about what a wrestling coach wants to do. More of a money issue from the top.    

[Winners Circle]

8 minutes ago, No BS Fan said:

Because the school tells the coach they can't afford to pay a non profit sport an extra 1 million a year. 20 more $50K scholarships vs 30 kids paying some sort of tuition. I may be way off on this but the team's without 100000 seat football venue or a consistent elite 8 plus basketball team are going to struggle. I don't think this is going to be about what a wrestling coach wants to do. More of a money issue from the top.    

If the school opts into revenue sharing, the wrestling program gets 30 scholarships, that is certain. See below blurb from Flo.

Edited 1 hour ago by Winners Circle

[Winners Circle]

12 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

If the school opts into revenue sharing, the wrestling program gets 30 scholarships, that is certain. See below blurb from Flo.

If I am wrong about this, someone please correct me. And if that's the case, I apologize in advance @No BS Fan for misunderstanding this whole thing.

[CHROMEBIRD]

Wrestling will still be an equivalency sport, and under the proposed rule programs can offer anywhere between zero and a full scholarship to athletes who make the roster cap. So, a school could hypothetically distribute zero scholarships across the board, or 30 full scholarships to the wrestling team, or anywhere in-between (like .20 scholarship to one guy, .90 to another, etc. like it is today).

For some reason, a lot of folks assume that the roster cap  system will be better than the 9.9 scholarship limit we have now because hypothetically everyone can get paid. But there's a huge difference between can and will.

Take the $21M salary cap, allocate 75% to football, 20% to mbb & wbb, 3% to baseball, and then divide the remaining 2% (around $420K) across all the remaining sports in a program's portfolio. Say the AD divides it unequally among those sports and wrestling gets a generous 10% of that amount. That's still only $42K of scholarship money to distribute. It seems far more likely that the wrestling team will get less than the value of 9.9 scholarships under the new system. Of course, this doesn't include padding athlete compensation with NIL, but that's not what we're talking about here.

Edited 55 minutes ago by CHROMEBIRD
typing too fast

[Winners Circle]

1 minute ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Wrestling will still be an equivalency sport, and under the proposed rule programs can offer anywhere between zero and a full scholarship to athletes who make the roster cap. So, school could hypothetically distribute zero scholarships across the board, or 30 full scholarships to the wrestling team, or anywhere in-between (like .20 scholarship to one guy, .90 to another, etc. like it is today).

For some reason, a lot of folks assume that the new system will be better than the 9.9 scholarship limit we have now. But if you take the $21M salary cap, allocate 75% to football, 20% to mbb & wbb, 3% to baseball, and then divide the remaining 2% (around $420K) across all the remaining sports in a program's portfolio. Say the AD divides it unequally among those sports and wrestling gets a generous 10% of that amount. That's still only $42K of scholarship money to distribute. It seems far more likely that the wrestling team will get less than the value of 9.9 scholarships under the new system. Of course, this doesn't include padding athlete compensation with NIL, but that's not what we're talking about here.

I appreciate this. Apologies to @No BS Fan. I misinterpreted the wording of the new format. 

[Tripnsweep]

5 hours ago, Boring said:

Ritual suicide. 

Hari kari. 

[ionel]

6 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Do they just quit wrestling or go back to their old team?

Go to Iowa and hunt raccoons.  

[No BS Fan]

Now schools are still going to have donors that want their money to go to wrestling. I'd be curious if they are better off giving to the school or giving to a NIL trust.  I have a feeling college wrestling is going to look very different in 2-3 years. 

[MNRodent]

18 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

I appreciate this. Apologies to @No BS Fan. I misinterpreted the wording of the new format. 

Yeah, the schools may be allowed to have 30 full ride scholies, but that doesn't mean that they will have the funding to do so.  In fact, few if any will.

 

[Winners Circle]

4 minutes ago, MNRodent said:

Yeah, the schools may be allowed to have 30 full ride scholies, but that doesn't mean that they will have the funding to do so.  In fact, few if any will.

 

Which will make it even harder on the walk-on types because now instead of having 40 guys (with 9.9 scholarships), we'll likely have 30 guys (with still probably 9.9ish scholarships). So fewer spots to go around.