CHINA STANDS UP TO THE BULLY!!!

[scourge165]

10 hours ago, ionel said:

Wait ... I thought we didn't like billionaires.  

Really? You thought that?

Please let me know where I've said that? Show me where I HAVE said that I don't "like billionaires?" 

 

I did think Republicans were about family values and yet...Trump has cheated on his pregnant wives and screwed porn stars and spent the 90s partying with Diddy and Epstein. 

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Really? You thought that?

Please let me know where I've said that? Show me where I HAVE said that I don't "like billionaires?" 

 

I did think Republicans were about family values and yet...Trump has cheated on his pregnant wives and screwed porn stars and spent the 90s partying with Diddy and Epstein. 

I said "we" not "you." 

[Caveira]

20 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Why am I not surprised that this clown went back to a short from 2017 to talk about what she RAN ON IN 2024!

 

But you've got Jimmy Speaks stamp of approval...which is akin to getting a lesson on how to take care of fragile animals from one of Steinbeck's main character Lennie. 

Even your boy char gpt thinks she ran on nothing 

Yeah, that’s a common feeling — a lot of people felt like Kamala Harris didn’t really have a clear campaign identity or message of her own during the 2024 cycle. Let's break it down:

---

1. She Wasn’t the Presidential Candidate

Kamala was on the ticket with Biden again in 2024 — so she wasn’t running her own campaign, just continuing as Vice President. That means she didn’t need to roll out an independent platform — her role was to support and echo the top-of-ticket message.

---

2. Messaging Was General and Team-Based

The Biden-Harris 2024 campaign focused on broad themes like:

• Defending democracy

• Protecting reproductive rights

• Economic stability

• Climate change

• Standing up to Trump

Kamala often spoke on those issues, especially abortion rights and civil liberties, but not in a way that separated her out as a unique political force. It was more “team player” than “individual vision.”

---

3. Public Perception: Quiet or Underused

Many people — even some who support her — feel she wasn’t given (or didn’t take) opportunities to carve out a bold identity. Whether that’s due to campaign strategy, media portrayal, or her own choices, it’s led to the sense that she wasn’t “running on anything.”

---

4. Reality Check: Vice Presidents Rarely Run on Much

Historically, VPs don’t run on distinct platforms unless they’re actually running for president. Think Pence in 2020 or Cheney in 2004 — they had roles, but didn’t campaign like independents.

---

In short: You’re not wrong — it felt like Kamala didn’t run on much, because her job wasn’t to lead a campaign, it was to back Biden and stick to the overall strategy. If she ever runs for president herself, that’s when we’ll likely see what she really runs on.

Want a breakdown of what she did emphasize most in speeches/interviews, or what she might run on solo someday?

Edited Sunday at 11:54 PM by Caveira

[scourge165]

13 minutes ago, ionel said:

I said "we" not "you." 

Well..."we" would include me, wouldn't it?

And YOU like Trump(who claimed to and then after serving as POTUS became a billionaire, right?

 

But if you don't like Billionaires and don't think they should run, say that. The point here...say what YOU feel. Not what you think others do... Nah, that's...that's too crazy an idea!

[scourge165]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Even your boy char gpt thinks she ran on nothing 

 

Yeah, that’s a common feeling — a lot of people felt like Kamala Harris didn’t really have a clear campaign identity or message of her own during the 2024 cycle. Let's break it down:

---

1. She Wasn’t the Presidential Candidate

Kamala was on the ticket with Biden again in 2024 — so she wasn’t running her own campaign, just continuing as Vice President. That means she didn’t need to roll out an independent platform — her role was to support and echo the top-of-ticket message.

---

2. Messaging Was General and Team-Based

The Biden-Harris 2024 campaign focused on broad themes like:

• Defending democracy

• Protecting reproductive rights

• Economic stability

• Climate change

• Standing up to Trump

Kamala often spoke on those issues, especially abortion rights and civil liberties, but not in a way that separated her out as a unique political force. It was more “team player” than “individual vision.”

---

3. Public Perception: Quiet or Underused

Many people — even some who support her — feel she wasn’t given (or didn’t take) opportunities to carve out a bold identity. Whether that’s due to campaign strategy, media portrayal, or her own choices, it’s led to the sense that she wasn’t “running on anything.”

---

4. Reality Check: Vice Presidents Rarely Run on Much

Historically, VPs don’t run on distinct platforms unless they’re actually running for president. Think Pence in 2020 or Cheney in 2004 — they had roles, but didn’t campaign like independents.

---

In short: You’re not wrong — it felt like Kamala didn’t run on much, because her job wasn’t to lead a campaign, it was to back Biden and stick to the overall strategy. If she ever runs for president herself, that’s when we’ll likely see what she really runs on.

Want a breakdown of what she did emphasize most in speeches/interviews, or what she might run on solo someday?

Shhhhh

 

You just posted a video from 2017. 

That told me all I needed to know about you. I'm...out. She tried to warn you what a moron he was and how he'd immediately screw the Economy...and he did so in DAYS. It took literally DAYS. 

 

But yeah, 8 years ago she said you have to stay woke! LOL...

[Caveira]

23 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Shhhhh

 

You just posted a video from 2017. 

That told me all I needed to know about you. I'm...out. She tried to warn you what a moron he was and how he'd immediately screw the Economy...and he did so in DAYS. It took literally DAYS. 

 

But yeah, 8 years ago she said you have to stay woke! LOL...

You still haven’t posted what she ran on.   

[red viking]

She didn't run a great campaign. She should have distanced herself more from Biden. I also don't know if she was the best candidate but at the time I don't know if the democrats had another choice. 

Ideally, the democrats would not have nominated Biden in by default but that's the 100% precedent. It was a bad situation no matter what. Better yet, Biden accepts that he's too old from the start. 

Very strange set of circumstances that allows us to elect the most incompetent AND by FAR the most corrupt and ego driven president in u.s. history. NOT EVEN CLOSE. 

And now he's completely destroying the dollars status as the world's reserve currency. 

Edited Monday at 12:59 AM by red viking

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

You still haven’t posted what she ran on.   

I did. Her economic plan for one. That was...obviously MUCH-MUCH better. 

-A continuation of the Biden economic plan that had...in just 4 years turned around the US Economy that was left in tatters, we were on pace to get down to 2% inflation(in fact, it hit 2.5% this month...though as inflation is always a lagging indicator, that's as low as it'll get with the tariffs). GDP growth was on pace to get over 4%

-Womens rights....like most people think, it should be up to a women to choose.

-And she also ran on NOT electing the guy who'd already tried illegally to stay in power once, by violating the constitution, which would have worked if Pence would have gone along with it. 

-STOPPING Project 2025...which Trump Never Heard of, but they've already implemented much of it.

And as you can see, 40 of the 44 former Trump cabinet members have either spoken out AGAINST Trump(he's a fkn idiot, he's unfit, he only cares about how the office can serve him)...

4 of 44 are endorsing him again. That should have told you ALL you need to know. 

 

Trump ran on;

-Tariffs ...that worked out brilliantly, eh?

-The border- Which he obviously didn't care about as on more than one occasion he called up Republicans in order to have them block a bill THEY'D written. 

Hell, he didn't even just privately do so, he publicly did so, telling Republicans to block it saying it'd help Biden politically. 

-Oh, and then he ran on...DEI, no "Woke," stuff. 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ten-former-top-us-military-officials-back-harris-call-trump-a-danger-2024-09-09/

He truly ran a substantive campaign. 

 

[scourge165]

11 hours ago, red viking said:

She didn't run a great campaign. She should have distanced herself more from Biden. I also don't know if she was the best candidate but at the time I don't know if the democrats had another choice. 

Ideally, the democrats would not have nominated Biden in by default but that's the 100% precedent. It was a bad situation no matter what. Better yet, Biden accepts that he's too old from the start. 

Very strange set of circumstances that allows us to elect the most incompetent AND by FAR the most corrupt and ego driven president in u.s. history. NOT EVEN CLOSE. 

And now he's completely destroying the dollars status as the world's reserve currency. 

In a normal election with a well informed electorate, you look at the direction the Country is moving and you try and keep those policies in place.

They were working.  I mean, using hard data, they were objectively working. If it's all about your "feelings," and you can see how it is, we've seen Trump trying to use a false slate of electors to try and overturn the states that certified the election for Biden...which is insurrection, it's the definition of insurrection, but at least people like jross "understand" why Trump feels that way, so...ya know, it's really not a big deal if he did it, right!

[red viking]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

In a normal election with a well informed electorate, you look at the direction the Country is moving and you try and keep those policies in place.

They were working.  I mean, using hard data, they were objectively working. If it's all about your "feelings," and you can see how it is, we've seen Trump trying to use a false slate of electors to try and overturn the states that certified the election for Biden...which is insurrection, it's the definition of insurrection, but at least people like jross "understand" why Trump feels that way, so...ya know, it's really not a big deal if he did it, right!

My big issue with Biden is that he did absolutely nothing to curb inflation or tame the debt crisis. Then again, it doesn't seem like any prominent politicians do that anyway. Trump is gonna run an even bigger deficit than Biden since he won't touch any big programs, will jack up military spending and push massive tax cuts. 

[scourge165]

On 4/12/2025 at 7:57 AM, red viking said:

A lot of trinkets but not all of it. For example, rare earths minerals 

China can get what they need if u.s. is the only country they are at war with. Including semiconductors.

You really think Xi is gonna back down if nobody else is coming to Trumps side on this? 

 

Who...can they get Semiconductors from?

Nvidia-They're lining up for basically the Ford Pinto of Semiconductors from Nvidia...which is the extent of what they're...allowed to buy while Nvidia has GPUs that are more akin to the Shelby Mustang GT500. 

AMD? Broadcom?

Tell me, where are they getting those other semiconductors? I'm...very curious to hear?

[scourge165]

15 hours ago, red viking said:

My big issue with Biden is that he did absolutely nothing to curb inflation or tame the debt crisis. Then again, it doesn't seem like any prominent politicians do that anyway. Trump is gonna run an even bigger deficit than Biden since he won't touch any big programs, will jack up military spending and push massive tax cuts. 

Yeah, that's...just not true. I'm not sure what you were looking for, but inflation, again, is a lagging indicator. 

-Had Trump ACTUALLY won...instead of just saying he did and then tried to steal the election, inflation would have ballooned under him as well and I doubt he'd have handled it as well as Biden did. 

How exactly would you have liked him to 'curb inflation' beyond what he did?]

-Raise rates? Not his call, but they did do that. 
-Cut taxes? Trump had done that before Covid which added more to the debt in 4 years than any President ever before him. 
-Energy Policies? Increase energy production? He did exactly that.
-Supply Chain? We also had those issues under Trump as the result of Covid...the supply chain was fine.
-He COULD have done what Nixon did. Freeze prices...and Freeze spending? Sure. You can kick the can down the road.

-You could have raised taxes on the wealthy and then issues some more stimulus. You think Manchin and Sinema were supporting that(much less the GOP controlled House)?

 

So what could he have done that he didn't do?

He did create more manufacturing. He got nearly 1T in private investment.

 

I get that was a big election talking point. It's kinda a lazy one. You want to both address the deficit AND you want to curb inflation and there's no real way to do either coming out of the losses we suffered during Covid. There's a way to raise inflation and we're doing that right now...but until I'm given an answer, a non-Nixon/Ford Freeze spending/wages and kick the can down the road solution, It's not one I put much credence in. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:26 AM by scourge165

[red viking]

7 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah, that's...just not true. I'm not sure what you were looking for, but inflation, again, is a lagging indicator. 

-Had Trump ACTUALLY won...instead of just saying he did and then tried to steal the election, inflation would have ballooned under him as well and I doubt he'd have handled it as well as Biden did. 

How exactly would you have liked him to 'curb inflation' beyond what he did?]

-Raise rates? Not his call, but they did do that. 
-Cut taxes? Trump had done that before Covid which added more to the debt in 4 years than any President ever before him. 
-Energy Policies? Increase energy production? He did exactly that.
-Supply Chain? We also had those issues under Trump as the result of Covid...the supply chain was fine.
-He COULD have done what Nixon did. Freeze prices...and Freeze spending? Sure. You can kick the can down the road.

-You could have raised taxes on the wealthy and then issues some more stimulus. You think Manchin and Sinema were supporting that(much less the GOP controlled House)?

 

So what could he have done that he didn't do?

He did create more manufacturing. He got nearly 1T in private investment.

 

I get that was a big election talking point. It's kinda a lazy one. You want to both address the deficit AND you want to curb inflation and there's no real way to do either coming out of the losses we suffered during Covid. There's a way to raise inflation and we're doing that right now...but until I'm given an answer, a non-Nixon/Ford Freeze spending/wages and kick the can down the road solution, It's not one I put much credence in. 

First of all, I'll agree with you that Trump was much worse, and he actually started the inflation that we saw in 2021. The monthly data was showing a major ramping up of inflation when Biden was inaugurated. It just hadn't significantly affected the year-over-year data yet. Trump being worse is a different subject though. 

That being said, I didn't see Biden do much to try to curb inflation, if any. I think he did try to increase taxes but, despite that failure, he increased spending. I don't think it was a great time to be pausing student debt payments and he also continued the mailing of checks (free money) that Trump started, among other things. The BIL money was a great idea, but it didn't have a funding source either. 

He basically just left it to the federal reserve to bring down inflation, and then they were WAY too late. 

[Bigbrog]

7 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah, that's...just not true. I'm not sure what you were looking for, but inflation, again, is a lagging indicator. 

-Had Trump ACTUALLY won...instead of just saying he did and then tried to steal the election, inflation would have ballooned under him as well and I doubt he'd have handled it as well as Biden did. 

How exactly would you have liked him to 'curb inflation' beyond what he did?]

-Raise rates? Not his call, but they did do that. 
-Cut taxes? Trump had done that before Covid which added more to the debt in 4 years than any President ever before him. 
-Energy Policies? Increase energy production? He did exactly that.
-Supply Chain? We also had those issues under Trump as the result of Covid...the supply chain was fine.
-He COULD have done what Nixon did. Freeze prices...and Freeze spending? Sure. You can kick the can down the road.

-You could have raised taxes on the wealthy and then issues some more stimulus. You think Manchin and Sinema were supporting that(much less the GOP controlled House)?

 

So what could he have done that he didn't do?

He did create more manufacturing. He got nearly 1T in private investment.

 

I get that was a big election talking point. It's kinda a lazy one. You want to both address the deficit AND you want to curb inflation and there's no real way to do either coming out of the losses we suffered during Covid. There's a way to raise inflation and we're doing that right now...but until I'm given an answer, a non-Nixon/Ford Freeze spending/wages and kick the can down the road solution, It's not one I put much credence in. 

Hey scrouge...ever heard of this??

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[scourge165]

52 minutes ago, red viking said:

First of all, I'll agree with you that Trump was much worse, and he actually started the inflation that we saw in 2021. The monthly data was showing a major ramping up of inflation when Biden was inaugurated. It just hadn't significantly affected the year-over-year data yet. Trump being worse is a different subject though. 

That being said, I didn't see Biden do much to try to curb inflation, if any. I think he did try to increase taxes but, despite that failure, he increased spending. I don't think it was a great time to be pausing student debt payments and he also continued the mailing of checks (free money) that Trump started, among other things. The BIL money was a great idea, but it didn't have a funding source either. 

He basically just left it to the federal reserve to bring down inflation, and then they were WAY too late. 

I understand, I'm pointing out there's not much you can do beyond create jobs and grow the economy unless you're going to spend.

He didn't try and spend his way out of it.

 

You're also talking about doing so in 4 years....we had one big year of inflation and then it was coming down, it IS coming down. I mean, last month will probably be the last month the CPI decreases month over month with Trump not actively working to increase inflation(while trying to get the fed to bail him out), but I don't know how you want to bring inflation down and lower spending. 

I'd also like to correct something, the CPI was 2.4% last month. This is probably the last month of Biden's inflation numbers given how Trump's tariffs have caused inflation. 

[scourge165]

2 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

Hey scrouge...ever heard of this??

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Not everything can be dumbed down into a sentence or two on here for the poorly educated that Trump loves so much...(his words).

[Caveira]

44 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Not everything can be dumbed down into a sentence or two on here for the poorly educated that Trump loves so much...(his words).

 

[red viking]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

I understand, I'm pointing out there's not much you can do beyond create jobs and grow the economy unless you're going to spend.

He didn't try and spend his way out of it.

 

You're also talking about doing so in 4 years....we had one big year of inflation and then it was coming down, it IS coming down. I mean, last month will probably be the last month the CPI decreases month over month with Trump not actively working to increase inflation(while trying to get the fed to bail him out), but I don't know how you want to bring inflation down and lower spending. 

I'd also like to correct something, the CPI was 2.4% last month. This is probably the last month of Biden's inflation numbers given how Trump's tariffs have caused inflation. 

The federal reserve did all of that by raising interest rates. Not any politicians. 

[Bigbrog]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

Not everything can be dumbed down into a sentence or two on here for the poorly educated that Trump loves so much...(his words).

Funny part is....you share one of the more common characteristics of politicians....just spew a bunch of words hoping people don't realize you really didn't say anything but nonsense.  And the irony of you thinking it is "dumbing down" being concise when trying to get your point across or share your opinion...LOL 

Carry on with your word vomit.

[red viking]

9 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Funny part is....you share one of the more common characteristics of politicians....just spew a bunch of words hoping people don't realize you really didn't say anything but nonsense.  And the irony of you thinking it is "dumbing down" being concise when trying to get your point across or share your opinion...LOL 

Carry on with your word vomit.

Republicans don't like "big words." Need to dumb it down, huh? 

[wrestlingguy]

7 minutes ago, red viking said:

Republicans don't like "big words." Need to dumb it down, huh? 

There's a difference between big words and too many words.