Survey Claims Half of Leftists Justify Violence Against Trump, Musk, Tesla. Is this true?

[jross]

43 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I'm not following? 

"The 2020 election was the most secure in U.S. history" is more rhetorical than provable.  There are many unanswered signals that run counter to it... suppressed/omitted/spun by the trusted media and judicial system...  

J6 has so much propaganda spun throughout...

Someone is not thinking critically when they believe what the media and government organizations said about those...

[scourge165]

41 minutes ago, jross said:

"The 2020 election was the most secure in U.S. history" is more rhetorical than provable.  There are many unanswered signals that run counter to it... suppressed/omitted/spun by the trusted media and judicial system...  

J6 has so much propaganda spun throughout...

Someone is not thinking critically when they believe what the media and government organizations said about those...

Ok...so Trump's on DOJ lied, the cases against Dominion...everything that came out there.

J6 is propaganda.

Yeah, you can't look at the left and say, "are they really this bad," with that type of nonsense.

We SAW them storm the capital and that was bad, but what was worse was the ENTIRE plan behind it. The plan to have an unconstitutional slate of electors who had no authority in the attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power. 

 

Someone's not thinking critically when they're still spouting the big lie talking points and downplaying Jan6. 

[jross]

4 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Ok...so Trump's on DOJ lied, the cases against Dominion...everything that came out there.

J6 is propaganda.

Yeah, you can't look at the left and say, "are they really this bad," with that type of nonsense.

We SAW them storm the capital and that was bad, but what was worse was the ENTIRE plan behind it. The plan to have an unconstitutional slate of electors who had no authority in the attempt to stop the peaceful transfer of power. 

 

Someone's not thinking critically when they're still spouting the big lie talking points and downplaying Jan6. 

I didn't say J6 is propaganda, I said propaganda is spun throughout.  You seem to see it through one lens and not through both.  This doesn't reflect well critical thinking.

Very similar reflection on election security rhetoric.  There are many signals, you brought up "Dominion."  That isn't one that I was thinking of... though I wouldn't exclude it based on evidence.

[scourge165]

4 minutes ago, jross said:

I didn't say J6 is propaganda, I said propaganda is spun throughout.  You seem to see it through one lens and not through both.  This doesn't reflect well critical thinking.

Very similar reflection on election security rhetoric.  There are many signals, you brought up "Dominion."  That isn't one that I was thinking of... though I wouldn't exclude it based on evidence.

There's one lens to see it through.

They tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power. That's it.

There are "Minor attracted people," I have no interest in seeing things through their view point either. 

It's disappointing on something SO black and white you're going to play the 'you're just not using your critical thinking skills.'

 

Yup. Very similar "rhetoric" by Bill Barr and ALMOST all Republican Sec of State's and what not.

Here's what happened. States like Penn, Wisconsin, they don't let you count the early vote as it comes in. Florida, NC, they do.

We were TOLD it'd be the red mirage for...MONTHS as Trump told his people specifically "do not vote by mail."

Yet SHOCKINGLY when you started getting all the mail in ballots in liberal areas, they went 80-90% for Biden and then it was "stop the count," in one state and "Keep on counting" in the other state.

Meanwhile...Trump was way behind early in Florida for example. Yet...nobody disputed that.

No, this is my...red line. This is allegiance to a person and a cult vs your Country. It's a joke. They've slandered so many people based on false premises and...you have balls to tell me seeing it for what it is is lacking "critical thinking?"

 

Sure. I don't possess critical thinking ability, but I'm not going down this road and...it' depressing to find people who do anything but condemn it. But so be it. 

[red viking]

I've heard an incredible amount of rhetoric from the wingers about taking up arms and getting ready for civil war if Harris wins, etc. Not to mention the countless violent acts that they've already committed, such as the Jan 6 riots. 

I'm not surprised that some people on the left are ready/willing to stand up to them. 

[jross]

What is a critical thinkers framework to 2020 election being the most secure ever? Observe oddities, ask questions, seek answers...

Oddities

1. The Spanish flu pandemic saw a decrease in voters.  Yet the covid pandemic saw 23M more votes in 2020 compared to 2016, and more votes than the "most consequential election in U.S. history” 2024 vote.  
2. 19 states had no ID rules.  
3. Ballot harvesting is legal in some states
4. Counting was paused
5. Real people testified to problems that resulted in 60 court cases; mostly tossed on standing rather than merit.  Favorito's Georgia case (145K ballots) still lingers in 2025.
6. The Biden laptop suppression...
7. The "Cabal" steering outcomes... “Hundreds of millions” spent to change rules, influence media, and control info flow.
   1. The published article in the Times about "The Secret History of the Shadow Campaign that saved the 2020 election."

You mentioned Dominion... okay

• The University of Michigan computer science professor J. Alex Halderman hacked the Dominion ImageCast X machine in multiple ways from seconds to minutes in front of government officials.

Now ask questions...

And seek answers...

[jross]

34 minutes ago, red viking said:

I've heard an incredible amount of rhetoric from the wingers about taking up arms and getting ready for civil war if Harris wins, etc. Not to mention the countless violent acts that they've already committed, such as the Jan 6 riots. 

I'm not surprised that some people on the left are ready/willing to stand up to them. 

It wasn't fully rhetoric and it wasn't about Harris specifically.  The calm, clear-eyed stoics would eventually move to violence if there was continuation of progressive culture and policies.  It takes a lot longer for the silent majority of strength to respond, but it would be effective and efficient when moved to act.

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

I've heard an incredible amount of rhetoric from the wingers about taking up arms and getting ready for civil war if Harris wins, etc. Not to mention the countless violent acts that they've already committed, such as the Jan 6 riots. 

I'm not surprised that some people on the left are ready/willing to stand up to them. 

Find some posts about wingers saying this pre 2024 election.  I.e…. During the last election were you saying this was occurring?   If this is true.  Surely you said it in a post on here.  Surely you called this out?   Same with Scrooge45 or whatever his name is.  
 

when did you call out wingers on this board saying an armed civil war would take place if Harris won pre Trump being elected.  

[1032004]

sorry wrong thread 

 

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[red viking]

1 hour ago, jross said:

It wasn't fully rhetoric and it wasn't about Harris specifically.  The calm, clear-eyed stoics would eventually move to violence if there was continuation of progressive culture and policies.  It takes a lot longer for the silent majority of strength to respond, but it would be effective and efficient when moved to act.

Yup. It was heard loud and clear. The left is ready to fight too!!!!!!! Many are saying "Bring it, if that is what you really want!" 

Trump has repeatedly violated the Constitution and is trying to be a dictator. Social unrest, including violence, is inevitable when that happens. 

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[red viking]

1 hour ago, jross said:

It wasn't fully rhetoric and it wasn't about Harris specifically.  The calm, clear-eyed stoics would eventually move to violence if there was continuation of progressive culture and policies.  It takes a lot longer for the silent majority of strength to respond, but it would be effective and efficient when moved to act.

A lot of the wingers think they're "tough guys" with their guns, pickup trucks and body odor. They underestimate the resolve of the left. If they want to start a civil war, they're going to get a lot more than they're bargaining for. I'll just put it that way. 

[jross]

Just now, red viking said:

Yup. It was heard loud and clear. The left is ready to fight too!!!!!!! 

Yes like a 10 pound Jack Russel Terrier... hyper, loud, relentless, scrappy... and completely outmatched by the 200 pound Mastiff... sleeping through the noise until the line is crossed... then game over.  

Thankfully the Mastiffs have enormous patience.

[red viking]

5 minutes ago, jross said:

Yes like a 10 pound Jack Russel Terrier... hyper, loud, relentless, scrappy... and completely outmatched by the 200 pound Mastiff... sleeping through the noise until the line is crossed... then game over.  

Thankfully the Mastiffs have enormous patience.

You'll get a lot more than you're bargaining for if you want to start something. I'll just put it that way. 

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[jross]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

A lot of the wingers think they're "tough guys" with their guns, pickup trucks and body odor. They underestimate the resolve of the left. If they want to start a civil war, they're going to get a lot more than they're bargaining for. I'll just put it that way. 

It would be ugly and unwanted by everyone sane.

Remember that gun ownership is 3 to 1 in favor of one ideology, the ideology that knows how to use them while having the discipline to use responsibly.  Sometimes the little terriers nip one to many heels.

[jross]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

You'll get a lot more than you're bargaining for if you want to start something. 

I'm not starting anything, I'm sharing math.

[jross]

It’s not about progressives living their views or ruling themselves; it’s when they force those views on the majority, stripping freedom, grabbing resources, and breaking trust. That’s when the patience ends. 

You can replace 'progressive' with most ideologies and cross a line.

The math is not in the progressive's favor is the point being made, in a dogmatic manner of speaking.

[red viking]

25 minutes ago, jross said:

It would be ugly and unwanted by everyone sane.

Remember that gun ownership is 3 to 1 in favor of one ideology, the ideology that knows how to use them while having the discipline to use responsibly.  Sometimes the little terriers nip one to many heels.

Mastiffs are tough dogs but an average mastiff won't beat an average pitbull in a fight, despite their weapons. Pitbulls have the heart. It's the fight in the dog; not the dog in the fight. 

One side knows that it's standing up for justice, freedom and the Constitution. KNowing that provides a lot of resolve. 

Yah; a lot of people on the left don't own guns. That can change pretty quickly though, too. 

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[jross]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

Mastiffs are tough dogs but an average mastiff won't beat an average pitbull in a fight, despite their weapons. Pitbulls have the heart. It's the fight in the dog; not the dog in the fight. 

One side knows that it's standing up for justice, freedom and the Constitution. KNowing that provides a lot of resolve. 

Yah; a lot of people on the left don't own guns. That can change pretty quickly though, too. 

I see and appreciate what you are saying... but pitbull is a stretch.  Progressives are less about defending their territory and more about dragging everyone into their yard.  A pitbull doesn't care what you are doing in your yard but they will end you quickly in defense of theirs.

If not a jack russell terrier, a progressive is more like a border collie.  A collie had a lot of positive traits that fit... but the progressive has less discipline...

[red viking]

9 minutes ago, jross said:

I see and appreciate what you are saying... but pitbull is a stretch.  Progressives are less about defending their territory and more about dragging everyone into their yard.  A pitbull doesn't care what you are doing in your yard but they will end you quickly in defense of theirs.

If not a jack russell terrier, a progressive is more like a border collie.  A collie had a lot of positive traits that fit... but the progressive has less discipline...

You're coming in peoples' yards when you take their freedom away, and also their voice in govt (e.g. checks and balances). That's what's happening, and that's why the violence is growing. 

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[jross]

28 minutes ago, red viking said:

One side knows that it's standing up for justice, freedom and the Constitution. KNowing that provides a lot of resolve. 

Progressive outcomes seem to undermine justice.  They enable unfair wages via illegal labor through open borders and lax enforcement.  They prioritize criminals’ rights over victims. They define rights / benefits by race.  They strip personal choice / freedom.  Words vs. deeds...

[JimmySpeaks]

RV and his pack of Jack Terriers created Trump. Without the progressive woke movement there is no Trump.  

[jross]

6 minutes ago, red viking said:

You're coming in peoples' yards when you take their freedom away, and also their voice in govt (e.g. checks and balances). That's what's happening, and that's why the violence is growing. 

Yea this is true on abortion, sex ed, and religion in ed.  All very touch subjects with sound reasoning behind the beliefs.

[red viking]

5 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

RV and his pack of Jack Terriers created Trump. Without the progressive woke movement there is no Trump.  

I'll admit that they went way too far with their "wokeness." WAY too far. They should have stuck to their high ground; their core values. 

[Boring]

5 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Pretty strange how the guy right behind him died huh?  Pretty brave of trump to allow that bucket to go right by him huh?   I thought republicans were the conspiracy theorists? 

I'm not saying the guy behind Trump didn't get killed, I'm saying Trump wasn't shot at all and faked that he was. You believe the conman. 

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[Boring]

8 hours ago, Offthemat said:

To be clear, it’s The Network Contagion Research Institute and   Rutgers University Social Perception Lab 

https://networkcontagion.us/wp-content/uploads/NCRI-Assassination-Culture-Brief.pdf

I'm not sure adding Rutgers to the equation helps