Dept of Education

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This is why the Dept of Ed is saying bye bye. 

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The key here is that schools are failing and the US Dept of Ed is not doing anything to stop that trend.   This seems to be a systemic problem.   Kids are not getting stupider.   Teaching is not as effective, topics are not concentrating on rudimentary skills, and there is no practice to make perfect.    We are not expecting enough of our kids and they are meeting those expectations unfortunately.  We are raising a generation of morons in a world where smart people will rule the world.   These poor kids will get steamrolled.  

Now for political commentary.    The Ds have run this system forever, so it is their intent as measured by results to keep America as dumb as possible so they an steamroll America.   This is the Ds legacy and it is very clear to see.   They are the ones teaching about race and gender identity rather than teaching the kids to read and write and do grade level math.   They are the ones that lower expectations because the brown and black kids just can't do the hard work because well, they are brown and black.   So we pass them along and say they are getting good grades when they obviously can't read or write or do basic math.   This is the result of D rule of the schools for the last 50 years.   Quite the legacy.  

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[WrestlingRasta]

  On 3/27/2025 at 12:04 AM, mspart said:

The key here is that schools are failing and the US Dept of Ed is not doing anything to stop that trend.   This seems to be a systemic problem.   Kids are not getting stupider.   Teaching is not as effective, topics are not concentrating on rudimentary skills, and there is no practice to make perfect.    We are not expecting enough of our kids and they are meeting those expectations unfortunately.  We are raising a generation of morons in a world where smart people will rule the world.   These poor kids will get steamrolled.  

 

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Agree with most of what you say here, but with a very large omission of what is a huuuuuuge source of those problems you speak of……..PARENTS.   Our, my generation of parents.  And I say this with much experience, it is why I got out of public schools, because my peers are raising these kids with ten times the amount of entitlement than there is accountability.  When Johnny doesn’t do the things he’s supposed to do because he knows mom and dad will back him up if he doesn’t want to do it….theres not much the teacher can do.  And that type of thing is not at all rare these days. 

[Offthemat]

  On 3/27/2025 at 1:10 AM, WrestlingRasta said:

Agree with most of what you say here, but with a very large omission of what is a huuuuuuge source of those problems you speak of……..PARENTS.   Our, my generation of parents.  And I say this with much experience, it is why I got out of public schools, because my peers are raising these kids with ten times the amount of entitlement than there is accountability.  When Johnny doesn’t do the things he’s supposed to do because he knows mom and dad will back him up if he doesn’t want to do it….theres not much the teacher can do.  And that type of thing is not at all rare these days. 

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How does parenting cause 8th grade math and 4th grade reading scores to fall.

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 3/27/2025 at 3:08 AM, Offthemat said:

How does parenting cause 8th grade math and 4th grade reading scores to fall.

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Clearly explained in the post you quoted.

[JimmySpeaks]

  On 3/27/2025 at 12:04 AM, mspart said:

The key here is that schools are failing and the US Dept of Ed is not doing anything to stop that trend.   This seems to be a systemic problem.   Kids are not getting stupider.   Teaching is not as effective, topics are not concentrating on rudimentary skills, and there is no practice to make perfect.    We are not expecting enough of our kids and they are meeting those expectations unfortunately.  We are raising a generation of morons in a world where smart people will rule the world.   These poor kids will get steamrolled.  

Now for political commentary.    The Ds have run this system forever, so it is their intent as measured by results to keep America as dumb as possible so they an steamroll America.   This is the Ds legacy and it is very clear to see.   They are the ones teaching about race and gender identity rather than teaching the kids to read and write and do grade level math.   They are the ones that lower expectations because the brown and black kids just can't do the hard work because well, they are brown and black.   So we pass them along and say they are getting good grades when they obviously can't read or write or do basic math.   This is the result of D rule of the schools for the last 50 years.   Quite the legacy.  

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Don’t forget the Covid lockdowns. In the blue state I live in the scores/results have decreased significantly since the governor kept the kids at home.  

[JimmySpeaks]

  On 3/27/2025 at 1:10 AM, WrestlingRasta said:

Agree with most of what you say here, but with a very large omission of what is a huuuuuuge source of those problems you speak of……..PARENTS.   Our, my generation of parents.  And I say this with much experience, it is why I got out of public schools, because my peers are raising these kids with ten times the amount of entitlement than there is accountability.  When Johnny doesn’t do the things he’s supposed to do because he knows mom and dad will back him up if he doesn’t want to do it….theres not much the teacher can do.  And that type of thing is not at all rare these days. 

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You can also draw a direct correlation to PARENT vs parents.  The family unit as a whole is no longer revered like it once was.  Kids with single parents are immediately at a disadvantage.  

[Bigbrog]

  On 3/27/2025 at 1:10 AM, WrestlingRasta said:

Agree with most of what you say here, but with a very large omission of what is a huuuuuuge source of those problems you speak of……..PARENTS.   Our, my generation of parents.  And I say this with much experience, it is why I got out of public schools, because my peers are raising these kids with ten times the amount of entitlement than there is accountability.  When Johnny doesn’t do the things he’s supposed to do because he knows mom and dad will back him up if he doesn’t want to do it….theres not much the teacher can do.  And that type of thing is not at all rare these days. 

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I agree with this 100% Rasta!!

[Bigbrog]

  On 3/27/2025 at 1:27 PM, JimmySpeaks said:

You can also draw a direct correlation to PARENT vs parents.  The family unit as a whole is no longer revered like it once was.  Kids with single parents are immediately at a disadvantage.  

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And agree with this!

[WrestlingRasta]

  On 3/27/2025 at 1:27 PM, JimmySpeaks said:

You can also draw a direct correlation to PARENT vs parents.  The family unit as a whole is no longer revered like it once was.  Kids with single parents are immediately at a disadvantage.  

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Yes definitely agree with this. And I am somewhat in that category.  My first wife (with whom I have my children) we split up about 13 years ago.   But I will say, and I actually just said this at our awards banquet the other night, you will be very hard pressed to find a divorced couple that works together as well as her and I do.   So while we are not married, there is still very much a family unit intact, we live five minutes from each other, no single parent scenario.  

 

But anyway to your point, I know that is not the norm and I know that is a huge piece to this.  Probably tied directly to my comments, as in those situations, unfortunately a lot of the time, the parents are more focused on being the favorite parent, than they are focused on raising strong and well equipped man or woman.  And that's were entitlement goes up, and accountability goes down.

[Scouts Honor]

  On 3/27/2025 at 3:08 AM, Offthemat said:

How does parenting cause 8th grade math and 4th grade reading scores to fall.

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if the parents parent. the kids will learn.

[Offthemat]

  On 3/27/2025 at 2:55 PM, Scouts Honor said:

if the parents parent. the kids will learn.

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It sounds like a copout to me.  Eighth grade math is basic math, isn’t it?  Does it even include algebra?  Fourth grade reading?  These skills can be taught in the classroom with little, or no, reliance on homework, negating any impact by parents.  Unless you’re talking about classroom discipline, which is still the school’s responsibility.  The proof is in the backlash against school boards by parents when they discovered what was being taught in online classes during the pandemic.  In an adaptation of another phrase: it’s like they’re more concerned about boys getting to use the girl’s bathroom than anything else.

[Scouts Honor]

7th grade standards now include algebra

as far as discipline, if i need help and the teacher is busy dealing with knuckleheads, i dont get help.

 

[Caveira]

  On 3/27/2025 at 5:04 PM, Scouts Honor said:

7th grade standards now include algebra

as far as discipline, if i need help and the teacher is busy dealing with knuckleheads, i dont get help.

 

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Ya my kids are ahead of me when i was young.  They start algebra pretty young these days.  Even sprinkle a bit of picky geometry and trig too.   Although they don’t really call it that.  

[mspart]

  On 3/27/2025 at 1:10 AM, WrestlingRasta said:

Agree with most of what you say here, but with a very large omission of what is a huuuuuuge source of those problems you speak of……..PARENTS.   Our, my generation of parents.  And I say this with much experience, it is why I got out of public schools, because my peers are raising these kids with ten times the amount of entitlement than there is accountability.  When Johnny doesn’t do the things he’s supposed to do because he knows mom and dad will back him up if he doesn’t want to do it….theres not much the teacher can do.  And that type of thing is not at all rare these days. 

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I agree with your statement about parents.   That is absolutely true.  Curriculum changes have nothing to do with parents nor do the school's acceptance of decreasing demonstrated abilities and call that acceptable.  Parents play a major role in the how the kid acts at school for sure.   If Johnny is convinced his parents won't get on his case, he won't read. 

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[mspart]

  On 3/27/2025 at 3:57 PM, Offthemat said:

Unless you’re talking about classroom discipline, which is still the school’s responsibility. 

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If the school tries to discipline the kid and the parents cause a stink, there goes any discipline that can be handed out.  Parents are definitely in that mix. 

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[JimmySpeaks]

  On 3/27/2025 at 5:46 PM, mspart said:

If the school tries to discipline the kid and the parents cause a stink, there goes any discipline that can be handed out.  Parents are definitely in that mix. 

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This is very true.  Teachers, principals and counselors will take the easy road out of any parental confrontation and it’s not necessarily because they want to. It’s because they know they have no backing from higher administrators.  The parents know it too. 

[JimmySpeaks]

  On 3/27/2025 at 2:38 PM, WrestlingRasta said:

Yes definitely agree with this. And I am somewhat in that category.  My first wife (with whom I have my children) we split up about 13 years ago.   But I will say, and I actually just said this at our awards banquet the other night, you will be very hard pressed to find a divorced couple that works together as well as her and I do.   So while we are not married, there is still very much a family unit intact, we live five minutes from each other, no single parent scenario.  

 

But anyway to your point, I know that is not the norm and I know that is a huge piece to this.  Probably tied directly to my comments, as in those situations, unfortunately a lot of the time, the parents are more focused on being the favorite parent, than they are focused on raising strong and well equipped man or woman.  And that's were entitlement goes up, and accountability goes down.

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The favorite parent thing is definitely real. That being said even when the intent of each individual parent is in the right place there’s still only one parent nurturing at separate houses.  It’s just basic math that when there’s two parents in the same house as the kids they will get more attention,  communication love, support, discipline, accountability etc….   Can it be done. Absolutely.  It’s just not going to be as easy.