Money and fame

[okokzach]

Bo retweeting this about why he went to Iowa. I guess God wants him to be rich and famous like Joel Osteen 

[VakAttack]

People's willingness to accept something they want to believe as absolute fact and just judge someone else off their accepted fact never fails to amaze me.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

I mean it was pretty obvious by his social media presence and the way he made his commitment that fame was always the #1 motivator.  Nothing wrong with that at all.

[TNwrestling]

It's crazy he can do things for money and outright say he wants to be the center of attention and then say its thanks to a person who taught people to do the opposite of both of those things. 

 

Bo seems like a motivated, well liked, mature kid. But the hypocrisy here is kind of hilarious tbh. 

Edited yesterday at 05:16 PM by TNwrestling

[okokzach]

12 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

People's willingness to accept something they want to believe as absolute fact and just judge someone else off their accepted fact never fails to amaze me.

I'm just going off of what Bo himself retweeted, which says "of course money played a role"

[wrestlingguy]

He can win a national championship from anywhere, why not pick an outstanding program and get paid for it?

He is getting paid more money than most make in a lifetime to do what he loves. He has no promise of an NFL, NBA, etc contract so he is getting the money while he can.

[VakAttack]

3 minutes ago, okokzach said:

I'm just going off of what Bo himself retweeted, which says "of course money played a role"

Yes,  a role.  Almost as if, like most decisions, there are multiple aspects that play into it. 

[Truzzcat]

He wants to grow the sport maybe he feels that's gods plan for him. Juan sotos contract was the most talked about thing for baseball this off season. Everyone talks about how much Shadeur Sanders is making or Arch manning. At the end of the day we are intrigued for whatever reason by someones compensation and it garners engagement. I think its also weird to scrutinize someone for setting themselves and their family in the best potential spot for their future, taking care of your family is pretty godly to me. You can paint it anyway you want to, to drive a certain narrative but at the end of the day I don't think any thing in that tweet contradicts what he said about god helping him make his decision.

[okokzach]

19 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Yes,  a role.  Almost as if, like most decisions, there are multiple aspects that play into it. 

That goes against what he said and repeated over and over on FRL. He said the offers were similar and that wasn't what he based his decision on. There's nothing wrong with taking the biggest check, everyone can relate to that. The bothersome part is being dishonest about it and saying it was God-led not greed-led. 

[VakAttack]

1 minute ago, okokzach said:

That goes against what he said and repeated over and over on FRL. He said the offers were similar and that wasn't what he based his decision on. There's nothing wrong with taking the biggest check, everyone can relate to that. The bothersome part is being dishonest about it and saying it was God-led not greed-led. 

He said the offers are comparable, not that they were the exact same.  You're acting as if that means he chose Iowa because they had the highest offer.  Whereas, maybe Iowa just had the highest offer no matter what, and it's where he already wanted to go?  That's what his brother said online.  So if the school you already wanted to go to also made you the highest NIL offer...that's a pretty great happenstance.

[okokzach]

1 minute ago, VakAttack said:

He said the offers are comparable, not that they were the exact same. 

I said similar. Do you know what similar means?

[strange_daze]

I think it's misguided to suggest Bassett is chasing 'fame'. 

A more accurate and perhaps generous view would be to say he's developing his existing platform--which is already substantial--and expanding his reach as an 'influencer'. That he's an influencer for writing in particular is an absolute boon to the sport and a roadmap for other standouts to follow.

We know sports like football and basketball get theirs; young people like Bassett are creating a path for wrestling and wrestlers to do the same. He's an asset to all of us.

 

 

[okokzach]

Just now, strange_daze said:

I think it's misguided to suggest Bassett is chasing 'fame'. 

A more accurate and perhaps generous view would be to say he's developing his existing platform--which is already substantial--and expanding his reach as an 'influencer'. That he's an influencer for writing in particular is an absolute boon to the sport and a roadmap for other standouts to follow.

We know sports like football and basketball get theirs; young people like Bassett are creating a path for wrestling and wrestlers to do the same. He's an asset to all of us.

 

 

He's not chasing fame, he's merely expanding his influencer status. Brother, that is the same thing. 

[strange_daze]

4 minutes ago, okokzach said:

He's not chasing fame, he's merely expanding his influencer status. Brother, that is the same thing. 

Disagree. At least in the way I see fame.

It's like comparing a Paris Hilton with someone like Jocko: both may be famous, but one is seeking fame for its own sake; the other is seeking influence that benefits him, sure, but that also has deeper meaning and significance and is based on a clearly articulated philosophy of living. It's not an either/or proposition.

 

 

[okokzach]

3 minutes ago, strange_daze said:

Disagree. At least in the way I see fame.

It's like comparing a Paris Hilton with someone like Jocko: both may be famous, but one is seeking fame for its own sake; the other is seeking influence that benefits him, sure, but that also has deeper meaning and significance and is based on a clearly articulated philosophy of living. It's not an either/or proposition.

 

 

Paris Hilton used her fame/influence to testify before Congress about child abuse 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/27/style/paris-hilton-child-abuse-testimony.html

[strange_daze]

7 minutes ago, okokzach said:

Paris Hilton used her fame/influence to testify before Congress about child abuse 

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/27/style/paris-hilton-child-abuse-testimony.html

I never said fame couldn't be used for good. Maybe PH has matured as a human compared to two decades ago. If so, that's great for her and the people she helps.

My point stands, though, that one can seek fame as an end in itself or as a means of influencing others based on a model of what it means to live the 'good life'. One seems healthier and more fulfilling than the other.

There's nuance here of course; I just personally think Bassett falls more into the latter category than the former. To me, he's not chasing fame--he's gathering fame as a resource to do other things. There's a difference.

 

[Fred]

Is it good for team dynamics for one guy to come in already getting paid bank and designated center of attention before he’s even wrestled a match for the team?

[okokzach]

10 minutes ago, strange_daze said:

To me, he's not chasing fame--he's gathering fame as a resource to do other things. 

He retweeted that he "wants to be a star". I used the word famous. You say gathering fame. Whatever you want to call it is fine

[VakAttack]

15 minutes ago, Fred said:

Is it good for team dynamics for one guy to come in already getting paid bank and designated center of attention before he’s even wrestled a match for the team?

You should ask all the current Hawks themselves.  Here's one:

Then you had Gabe Arnold's dad celebrating on HR last night. 

Truly, though, the amount of people who suddenly genuinely care about (and have opinions about) the interpersonal dynamics and the feelings of the other teammates of the Hawkeye wrestling team is heartwarming.

Edited yesterday at 06:58 PM by VakAttack

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Iowa was fine with the team revolving around Spencer.  They'll be fine with Bo as the new chosen one too.

[Fred]

4 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

You should ask all the current Hawks themselves.  Here's one:

Then you had Gabe Arnold's dad celebrating on HR last night. 

Truly, though, the amount of people who suddenly genuinely care about (and have opinions about) the interpersonal dynamics and the feelings of the other teammates of the Hawkeye wrestling team is heartwarming.

Actually, it was a general question, and asked sincerely. I’d think it might cause some resentments

[1032004]

25 minutes ago, Fred said:

Is it good for team dynamics for one guy to come in already getting paid bank and designated center of attention before he’s even wrestled a match for the team?

So kinda like Buchanan, Teemer and Parco?

[Fred]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Iowa was fine with the team revolving around Spencer.  They'll be fine with Bo as the new chosen one too.

It’s true they were fine, but Spencer didn’t come in with a multimillion contract and a stated expectation that team revolve around him

[Fred]

4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

So kinda like Buchanan, Teemer and Parco?

Again, not the same at all. They were proven contributors and weren’t expecting to be the face of the team

[Winners Circle]

1 hour ago, wrestlingguy said:

He can win a national championship from anywhere, why not pick an outstanding program and get paid for it?

He is getting paid more money than most make in a lifetime to do what he loves. He has no promise of an NFL, NBA, etc contract so he is getting the money while he can.

Pretty bold statement. I know he's a special talent. But a lot of special talents haven't won titles. Daton Fix, Thomas Gilman, Chance Marsteller, all had comparable resumes from a wrestling standpoint (I know Bo's a bigger recruit because of social media presence). I'm sure there's others, but that's off the top of my head.