Carter stallrocci strikes again

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

If you think Starocci did not try to take a single offensive shot then you are being hypocritical. If you think Ferrari's constant dropping to the knee and positioning himself out of bounds, even after being told to return to center multiple times, wasn't designed to limit Starocci's ability to take an offensive shot then you are being hypocritical. 

That sneaky freshman ... Iowa has the smartest coaches in all the land! 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

That sneaky freshman ... Iowa has the smartest coaches in all the land! 

Yeah, they smarted him right into a loss.

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yeah, they smarted him right into a loss.

Was that the, "burn" you were referring to...

[Wrestleknownothing]

6 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Was that the, "burn" you were referring to...

That is for you to decide. I do know that bringing up a guy's first ever match, that has been twice avenged since, once in major fashion, as the example of what happens when he opens up is lame at best.

[Mr. PeanutButter]

13 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

If you think Starocci did not try to take a single offensive shot then you are being hypocritical. If you think Ferrari's constant dropping to the knee and positioning himself out of bounds, even after being told to return to center multiple times, wasn't designed to limit Starocci's ability to take an offensive shot then you are being hypocritical. 

I rewatched the match just now and, I'm afraid to say that I was wrong. By my counting, Carter took one more meaningful shot than Angelo in the first period and initiated the only meaningful sequence in the 2nd. Angelo got both arms around the leg twice in the third and made 5 other shot attempts - but I wouldn't call them good. Carter got in very deep very late in the third but it seemed to me like he didn't work terribly hard to finish. Which is funny because I read over and over again that Angelo was simply shooting to burn clock. I think that is a dumb take but if ever there was a display of "shooting to stall", Carter The Scholar exemplified it masterfully in the third period. However, overall Starocci was more offensively minded than I gave him credit for initially. 

Finally, to make it abundantly clear, I think Angelo deserved those stall calls, just like how I think basically anybody that backs up to the edge to reduce action is stalling. I've aired my grievances sufficiently regarding this match so I won't burn clock any further. 

[MPhillips]

16 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

That is for you to decide. I do know that bringing up a guy's first ever match, that has been twice avenged since, once in major fashion, as the example of what happens when he opens up is lame at best.

As do I.

Apologies as you took my comment quite a bit more serious than I did. Nor do I want to labeled anything  resembling another OSU fan on the this board...

[Wrestleknownothing]

8 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

I rewatched the match just now and, I'm afraid to say that I was wrong. By my counting, Carter took one more meaningful shot than Angelo in the first period and initiated the only meaningful sequence in the 2nd. Angelo got both arms around the leg twice in the third and made 5 other shot attempts - but I wouldn't call them good. Carter got in very deep very late in the third but it seemed to me like he didn't work terribly hard to finish. Which is funny because I read over and over again that Angelo was simply shooting to burn clock. I think that is a dumb take but if ever there was a display of "shooting to stall", Carter The Scholar exemplified it masterfully in the third period. However, overall Starocci was more offensively minded than I gave him credit for initially. 

Finally, to make it abundantly clear, I think Angelo deserved those stall calls, just like how I think basically anybody that backs up to the edge to reduce action is stalling. I've aired my grievances sufficiently regarding this match so I won't burn clock any further. 

Turns out we agree on a lot.

Starocci's third period was definitely an exercise in low risk shots, manage the clock, manage the ref.

I also think by then Ferrari realized that he was not as out-gunned as perhaps he thought he was at the beginning, when his overly cautious approach cost him. He grew into the match and demonstrated his own elite defensive skills throughout. 

I would love to see a rematch with a new approach, but sadly I do not think that ever happens.

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

As do I.

Apologies as you took my comment quite a bit more serious than I did. Nor do I want to labeled anything  resembling another OSU fan on the this board...

no apologies necessary. I thought it was funny.

[Caveira]

32 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

That is for you to decide. I do know that bringing up a guy's first ever match, that has been twice avenged since, once in major fashion, as the example of what happens when he opens up is lame at best.

He only beat him in one of those avenged matches 4-0.   Barn burner from what I saw on YouTube.  
 

other notable barn burner’s

 

2021 

L Washington Indiana 10-9

(rest are wins I think)

4-1 against #77 Troy fisher 

5-3 against #50 Jared krattiger 

ot win 7-1 logan masa 

2-1 or against kaleb Romero 

2-0 kaleb Romero 

3-1 Mikey labs nebby

6-3 Andrew McNally 

2-0 Demetrius Romero 

2022 

3-2 Chris foca #16

8-3 vs #66 Dominic solis

3-2 v logan massa 

2023

5-1 v #35 Julien broderson

2-1 Nelson brands 

4-0 Donnell Washington #17

5-2 baliee o’reilly

2024 

4-2 Rocco welsh 

5-3 #29 Adam kemp 

2025 

2-1 Angelo ferrari

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

He only beat him in one of those avenged matches 4-0.   Barn burner from what I saw on YouTube.  
 

other notable barn burner’s

 

2021 

L Washington Indiana 10-9

(rest are wins I think)

4-1 against #77 Troy fisher 

5-3 against #50 Jared krattiger 

ot win 7-1 logan masa 

2-1 or against kaleb Romero 

2-0 kaleb Romero 

3-1 Mikey labs nebby

6-3 Andrew McNally 

2-0 Demetrius Romero 

2022 

3-2 Chris foca #16

8-3 vs #66 Dominic solis

3-2 v logan massa 

2023

5-1 v #35 Julien broderson

2-1 Nelson brands 

4-0 Donnell Washington #17

5-2 baliee o’reilly

2024 

4-2 Rocco welsh 

5-3 #29 Adam kemp 

2025 

2-1 Angelo ferrari

You are doing that thing you like to do. When challenged you like to change the subject.

Those are examples of what happens when he does not open up. And yes they are all wins. Funny, that.

Your claim was that when he opens up it will turn out like the first college match he ever wrestled attached. That is not what happens. There are many examples of matches where he opens up and wins by major, tech fall, or pinfall against highly ranked opponents. There is even a pinfall in the 2023 NCAA final. A very rare accomplishment.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

You are doing that thing you like to do. When challenged you like to change the subject.

Those are examples of what happens when he does not open up. And yes they are all wins. Funny, that.

Your claim was that when he opens up it will turn out like the first college match he ever wrestled attached. That is not what happens. There are many examples of matches where he opens up and wins by major, tech fall, or pinfall against highly ranked opponents. There is even a pinfall in the 2023 NCAA final. A very rare accomplishment.

All but 1 are.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

All but 1 are.  

You specifically excluded that one from your comments with the word "rest"

And you got the Ferrari score wrong.

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

You specifically excluded that one from your comments with the word "rest"

And you got the Ferrari score wrong.

Thank you for the correction sir.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

 

The operative words. 

90 percent of Carter's career has been win by bonus. Where were you to exclaim how exciting those matches were? Helpful Hint: some guys won't wrestle him in the center of the mat because it cuts down the scoring and they think it gives them some small chance to win.

Friday.

Not all the other matches.  Starocci is a boring wrestler in big tourneys but he wins.  His mouth also writes checks he can't cash.  

[Caveira]

6 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

 

The operative words. 

90 percent of Carter's career has been win by bonus. Where were you to exclaim how exciting those matches were? Helpful Hint: some guys won't wrestle him in the center of the mat because it cuts down the scoring and they think it gives them some small chance to win.

Wrestlestat has him at 59.19% bonus bro.    With that no tourney tomato can strength of schedule 

 

where 59.19 is a slight bit high as it counts his red shirt year where he was 63.16.   So it’s < 59.19 actually.  
 

edit *** crazy context.  Mitchel messenbrink is a whopping 97.62% wow over 3 seasons including 1 win at cal baptist before transferring.  

Edited yesterday at 02:02 AM by Caveira

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 hours ago, Winners Circle said:

And yet he has more titles than both of them...

But  is not as good as Taylor was, and maybe not as good as Nolf.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

 

The operative words. 

90 percent of Carter's career has been win by bonus. Where were you to exclaim how exciting those matches were? Helpful Hint: some guys won't wrestle him in the center of the mat because it cuts down the scoring and they think it gives them some small chance to win.

Math was never your strength was it?  

What is your strength?  Bandwagoning?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 hours ago, Caveira said:

Cstall manhandled Nelson brands didn’t be… wait that was 2-1 wasn’t it 

 

maybe when Cstall opens up he gets a dj Washington like result?

That was also Nelson with one collar bone and one UCL.

Whatever became of Carter's crippling knee injury btw? And what was it?  That kind of all disappeared...

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

16 hours ago, Caveira said:

Cstall manhandled Nelson brands didn’t be… wait that was 2-1 wasn’t it 

 

maybe when Cstall opens up he gets a dj Washington like result?

I just looked at Wrestle Stat.  By my count, WS has Carter with 29 contested career matches against top 12 opponents.  (Blood-roundish).  He is 28-1 in these bouts (Excellent!) However, he has scored bonus points in only four of them. (About 13.8% bonus rate).  Not stellar.

Mesenbrink already has four top 12 bonus wins in his second full year.

Kerk has 5.