Minnesota vs. Campbell

[MNRodent]

Campbell wins the flip and elects to start at Hwt.  

Gophers get back-to-back shutout wins this weekend.

#8 Minnesota 44, Campbell 0
Nov. 24, 2024 | Minneapolis | Maturi Pavilion | Attendance: 2,346

285 #1 Gable Steveson TF #7 Taye Ghadiali (CAMP), 20-4 6:56 | MINN 5, CAMP 0
125 #14 Cooper Flynn dec. #26 Anthony Molton (CAMP), 5-4 | MINN 8, CAMP 0
133 #8 Tyler Wells MD #22 Domenic Zaccone (CAMP), 10-2 | MINN 12, CAMP 0
141 #5 Vance VomBaur MD #30 Shannon Hanna (CAMP), 11-2 | MINN 16, CAMP 0
149 #22 Drew Roberts MD Oliver Fairchild (CAMP), 11-3 | MINN 20, CAMP 0
157 #7 Tommy Askey MD Seth Larson (CAMP), 13-1 | MINN 24, CAMP 0
165 #10 Andrew Sparks TF Ryan Bolletino (CAMP) 25-9, 6:56 | MINN 29, CAMP 0
174 #25 Clayton Whiting MD Brant Cracraft (CAMP), 15-4 | MINN 33, CAMP 0
184 #10 Max McEnelly TF Conor Maslanek (CAMP) 19-4, 3:13 | MINN 38, CAMP 0
197 #7 Isaiah Salazar win via forfeit | MINN 44, CAMP 0

 

[Gantry]

1 hour ago, MNRodent said:

Campbell wins the flip and elects to start at Hwt.  

Seriously, why would you do that?

[Hammerlock3]

2 hours ago, Gantry said:

Seriously, why would you do that?

to piss off the Minny staff...

more likely they just asked the Ghadiali and he didn't feel like sitting around getting nervous for 2 hours, or made that call themselves. Makes sense really.

Edited November 25 by Hammerlock3

[flyingcement]

14 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

to piss off the Minny staff...

more likely they just asked the Ghadiali and he didn't feel like sitting around getting nervous for 2 hours, or made that call themselves. Makes sense really.

I like the courage from Ghadiali if it was his call

[RockLobster]

8 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I like the courage from Ghadiali if it was his call

I agree. I like the courage, but the logic seems a bit off.

Do you really want your team (and fans) to see your very best wrestler get slapped around to start the dual?

Seems like a less than ideal choice. But maybe that's just me.

Edited November 25 by RockLobster

[Hammerlock3]

35 minutes ago, RockLobster said:

Do you really want your team (and fans) to see your very best wrestler get slapped around to start the dual?

If its his best shot at winning the match, and the match is more important than the dual, and he has a better shot at winning the match than you have at winning the dual, its an obvious yes. 

[GlassPrison]

Max has really been dominant.  Interested to see how the matchup against Berge is going to play out next weekend.

[RockLobster]

1 hour ago, Hammerlock3 said:

If its his best shot at winning the match, and the match is more important than the dual, and he has a better shot at winning the match than you have at winning the dual, its an obvious yes. 

That would make sense - however, I don't see any evidence to indicate that any of that would possibly be true.

[Jason Bryant]

That would make sense - however, I don't see any evidence to indicate that any of that would possibly be true.

So where’s the evidence to support the contrary?

[RockLobster]

46 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said:

So where’s the evidence to support the contrary?

I looked back at thread for a bit:

• I was participating in a discussion with flyingcement.
• I was refuting a post by Hammerlock3.

You popped up.

I'm not sure what you're doing. What are you doing?

Edited November 25 by RockLobster

[Lunaticfringe]

Not sure on Flynn but wells and Vombaur cut a ton. Makes sense to get those guys on the mat ASAP. 

[Jason Bryant]

That would make sense - however, I don't see any evidence to indicate that any of that would possibly be true.

I’m specifically referring to what I quoted. Your reply to Hammerlock saying you don’t see any evidence of what he claimed to be true. So I will ask again, what evidence do you see that what Hammerlock said isn’t true?

[1032004]

I’m not sure why, but Sentes said he was going to do this several days ago.  It was also alumni day for Minnesota, maybe he wanted to make sure people were there for whatever presentation they did beforehand?

Minnesota has a sneaky good team.   Didn’t realize they had all 10 guys ranked in the top 25 and 7 in the top 10 (plus Flynn #14 at 125 where anything can happen)

[MNRodent]

I think it probably had most to do with, getting Campbell's 4 ranked guys in the first 4 matches and getting Minnesota's lightweights fresh off the scale.  Even a close match at Hwt would have been momentum for their 125-141 which were their best chances at getting a ranked win.

 

[RockLobster]

20 hours ago, Jason Bryant said:

I’m specifically referring to what I quoted. Your reply to Hammerlock saying you don’t see any evidence of what he claimed to be true. So I will ask again, what evidence do you see that what Hammerlock said isn’t true?

The result of the match.

[Jason Bryant]

18 hours ago, RockLobster said:

The result of the match.

You know what happened by Gable-Ghadiali going first? An actual match. 

What didn't happen? Team loses every match going into heavyweight and they just say "screw it" and no one gets to see the match.

So we got the match we wanted to see and fans didn't have to endure a bludgeoning leading up to it. I fail to see where this is even worth complaining about to be honest. You got the match you wanted to see, then three straight matches of ranked guys hitting head to head before the Camel was put to pasture. 

[RockLobster]

7 hours ago, Jason Bryant said:

You know what happened by Gable-Ghadiali going first? An actual match. 

What didn't happen? Team loses every match going into heavyweight and they just say "screw it" and no one gets to see the match.

So we got the match we wanted to see and fans didn't have to endure a bludgeoning leading up to it. I fail to see where this is even worth complaining about to be honest. You got the match you wanted to see, then three straight matches of ranked guys hitting head to head before the Camel was put to pasture. 

I disagree. I think the closest actual match would have been at 125. It could have gone either way. Flynn is very tough, but he is new to the program. If there was any chance for momentum to be built, it would have been at 125 (not at 285)

I believe the the next couple matches gave Campbell their best chance to get some things going and score points.

I doubt many would be saying "screw it" and not wait for the heavyweight match. But maybe that's just me.

[1032004]

4 hours ago, RockLobster said:

I disagree. I think the closest actual match would have been at 125. It could have gone either way. Flynn is very tough, but he is new to the program. If there was any chance for momentum to be built, it would have been at 125 (not at 285)

I believe the the next couple matches gave Campbell their best chance to get some things going and score points.

I doubt many would be saying "screw it" and not wait for the heavyweight match. But maybe that's just me.

I think @Jason Bryant is suggesting Campbell may not have sent Ghadiali out, but I doubt that would have happened.

But to your point, the main concern for me with wrestling heavyweight first would be fans leaving early.  But sure, there are certainly more worthy things to complain about in our sport.  And I guess you could argue it was more exciting to have that match happen with a tie score rather than with Minnesota up by 30+ points 

[Maxwell Smart]

Do fans really want to see how fast a tech fall can happen?

[Gantry]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

But to your point, the main concern for me with wrestling heavyweight first would be fans leaving early.

Plus people often show up a little late to meets, they could have missed some or all of Steveson's match with him going first. 

People do make some valid points, so it wasn't a decision with zero merit.  That said, I still feel like it wasn't the "right" call to have GS go first. 

Edited November 27 by Gantry

[Jason Bryant]

This is more just complaining to complain. The fact he went first shouldn't matter. Get to the match on time, you see all 10 matches. You know very well heavyweight can go first - it's been a possibility for what, 20+ years? Just because heavyweights typically go last doesn't mean much. Scotti also said he was going to pick heavy first if he won the draw more than five days before the event. 

The match happened, we all win for that, no matter if we had to sit through a 44-0 dual to see it happen or if it happened 0-0.

I personally think we got a better Taye out of the gate than if he had to watch nine of his teammates lose before taking on Gable. He got teched, so that's a hard metric to actually validate, but the match happened in a time where we've had too many disappointments of people not wrestling high profile matches. 

[Camel Wrestling Fan]

Campbell got whipped by a much better team 44-0.

Response: keep my mouth shut and take the L. The score says it all.

I am still a big Camel Fan and I look forward to better days.

PS. Gable looks better than ever. He is bigger, stronger, and faster. 

[RockLobster]

2 hours ago, Jason Bryant said:

This is more just complaining to complain. The fact he went first shouldn't matter. Get to the match on time, you see all 10 matches. You know very well heavyweight can go first - it's been a possibility for what, 20+ years? Just because heavyweights typically go last doesn't mean much. Scotti also said he was going to pick heavy first if he won the draw more than five days before the event. 

The match happened, we all win for that, no matter if we had to sit through a 44-0 dual to see it happen or if it happened 0-0.

I personally think we got a better Taye out of the gate than if he had to watch nine of his teammates lose before taking on Gable. He got teched, so that's a hard metric to actually validate, but the match happened in a time where we've had too many disappointments of people not wrestling high profile matches. 

I see what you're saying. I do. I just disagree with it.

I'm not complaining to complain, and not even complaining at all. But I am saying the match order does matter. It does.

Your life revolves around wrestling, but for so many others with kids - getting to the match on time isn't always as easy. They deserve a bit of a break if they can't get it together as quickly as they'd like. No need to hate on late attendees.

• You seem to value a fresh TG against Gable. Against, much worse, a duck if it were the last match.  Nothing wrong with that take. In either case, your logic is solid.
• My logic dictates a 125 match first - which was a 5-4 match with two ranked wrestlers. Starting 0-0, I think that match could have been more contestable that it was. Followed by two more ranked vs ranked wrestlers. When properly motivated, wrestlers are known to exceed their limits. I would have preferred that scenario.

I just didn't think TG had a chance against Gable. First or last match. And I don't think TG would have ducked.

There is an argument about rankings potentially being affected. I've never been one to hang my hat on rankings either.