Biggest Loser, Downey or Ferrari?

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9 hours ago, boconnell said:

The sample size is tiny on true freshman champs and because of that it can't really tell you much statistically.  I'd love to know a larger sample size like true freshman all-americans by weight class.  That might be a large enough sample size to say something about how weight class affects a true freshman's ability to compete.

one thing I did not point out is that the 5 lowest weight classes all have more AA's than any of the 5 highest weight classes.

there certainly appears to be a weight component.

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1 hour ago, ionel said:

Actually believe the Focus couldve been a 5 timer.

I mean Mehki Lewis would have been a 5 timer too and he only won the 1.  From the list of 18 true freshman champs only 3 became 4xers.  Five were 3xers, three were 2xers, and seven only ever won a single title.

3 hours ago, Fletcher said:

On a bigger scale, we're all the actual losers for never getting to see Ferrari v. Brooks compete for a national title (not current Ferrari but what he could have been with some discipline and 4 yrs. under John Smith on the OSU room).

We got to see Brooks vs Downey at the 2021 Olympic trials.  Downey won that match convincingly. He also accused Flo of trying to hide the match footage in an instagram post before the trials this year.

3 hours ago, Fletcher said:

Both great athletes, but Ferrari could have been a 4 timer, while I don't see Downey winning even one.

That's probably right, but it's not for lack of ability.  Downey won national titles in high school.  He won NHSCA Senior Nationals in 2011. He also won Junior Nationals in Fargo in 2011.  He won the trials to get on the Junior World team in 2012 (Silver).  He also won Senior Nationals in 2019 and the WTT the same year.  So he won multiple national titles at the level below college and also won at the level above college.  It's not much of a stretch to envision him winning in college too apart from the college and team rules that go with it.  Perhaps if he had a season where there was an abbreviated schedule and many distractions were shut down by the government like in 2021 he could have stayed focused long enough to do it. 

Here is a list of NCAA champs Downey has defeated; Aaron Brooks (4x Champ), Quentin Wright (2x Champ), Gabe Dean (2x Champ), Myles Martin (1x Champ), and Drew Foster (1x Champ).  All of those matches were after those guys had won at least one title except the Drew Foster match.  He's also beaten 5 other NCAA finalists; Robert Hamlin (2x runner up at 184), Tyler Caldwell (2x runner up at 165), Nick Heflin (runner up at 197),  Jared Haught (runner up at 197), and Brett Pfarr (runner up at 197).

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4 hours ago, Fletcher said:

Ferrari could have been a 4 timer

Still can!

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1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Still can!

I have my doubts about that ORS.

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15 hours ago, fishbane said:

Mocco and Steveson

Steveson was close to making the finals. Cassar beat Steveson 4-3 in the semis and then majored White from Okie State in the finals.

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Even more rare than a true freshman champion (18) is a true freshman #1 seed (10):

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9 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Even more rare than a true freshman champion (18) is a true freshman #1 seed (10):

after seeing this.....is caels job on the line?!

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Just now, Hammerlock3 said:

after seeing this.....is caels job on the line?!

Between that and Sanderson's social media antics, it has to be.

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5 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Between that and Sanderson's social media antics, it has to be.

yeah that hair needs to go as well

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1 hour ago, OMW said:

Steveson was close to making the finals. Cassar beat Steveson 4-3 in the semis and then majored White from Okie State in the finals.

Indeed and he had defeated Cassar's finals opponent, White, earlier that season 8-2.  Third is close to winning.  Not as close as 2nd, but closer than the 4th or even 5th.  I think there were three matches between these guys in the regular season.  Steveson beat White in an early season dual.  White then bested Cassar in the Southern Scuffle final.  At Big Tens Cassar defeated Steveson.  The seeds at NCAAs were 1) White, 2)Cassar, 3) Steveson.