Cael fought so hard for his preferred team championship format…

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 hours ago, jammen said:

https://www.caelsanderson.com/blog/no-to-national-duals/

I think the funniest part is that you have that URL locked and loaded, ready to fire if every you get the chance again, and you never bothered to see if it still works. You are literally a broken record.

[jross]

2 hours ago, Offthemat said:

Site under maintenance.  Maybe you could summarize?

https://web.archive.org/web/20130126100829/https://www.caelsanderson.com/blog/no-to-national-duals/

Key points

• Less funded programs will lack talent to field a fully competitive team.
• Fans will not travel twice in a season for both a Team's Dual and an Individual Tournament.
• 50 programs will never make it to the team competition and have increased risk of being cut.
• The Individual Tournament sells out because of fan and media support for 77 programs.
• The Individual Tournament provides a greater sample size for proving who the best team is.
• National duals will not grow wrestling; non-competitive youth programs build wrestling.
• Teams are already reducing their scheduled events.
• There are other outside-the-box tactics to grow wrestling and get wrestling on TV.
   

[billyhoyle]

Whatever Cael's reasons were in 2012, change is needed now. I don't think there has been a less interesting NCAA season in my lifetime.  The winner was a foregone conclusion from the start, and nobody is graduating ever because of so many different type of redshirts and the covid year.

1.  A dual should decide the NCAA team champion. Enough with making the team championship a 3 day event that requires an excel spreadsheet to figure out what the standings are. Qualifying for the dual championships (an 8 team tournament) should be entirely based on regular season dual performance and not a qualifier tournament.  Every dual should be important, just as every NCAA football game is important.  

2.  Because of this team championship, the individual tournament should be a 16-man bracket.  Hold it over two days instead of three.  Nobody even shows up on Thursday or Saturday morning, and barely anyone shows up Thursday Night.  Going to a 16 man bracket could eliminate two of these pointless sessions. 

3. Redshirts need to be eliminated.  College football, basketball, and baseball effectively have no redshirts at this point, since the best athletes all go professional.  In Women's basketball, the best players are foregoing their extra years of eligibility to go pro.  In wrestling, we have 6th year college "students" who grayshirted and graduated high school at 19 getting 5th place.  

4. Wrestlers and "wrestling culture" needs to make some effort to become a bit more mainstream.  This means maybe some rule changes to encourage more action.  Shortening the matches a bit to 5 or 6 minutes and decreasing a tech to 10 points.  We also have to get as many matches back on streaming services that people actually have access to (ESPN, Fox, BTN, CBS, etc). How can a better product be put on the mat in front of more people?

Edited April 16, 2023 by billyhoyle

[Hokeye]

1.  Are you not aware that you can simply look at the team standings on trackwrestling instead of trying to do your own math?  

2.  Yes- Increase interest by further limiting participation.  Maybe just have PSU wrestle an intrasquad and really fill the stands.

3. The covid thing was handled poorly, but you get 4 times to wrestle in the post season.  The covid crap is why it seems so different.

4. Stopping the replay crap would shorten matches.  Maybe make takedowns worth 3 instead of 2 and keep up that clip by making reversals 3 as well, thus making riding for the sake of riding a bit more dangerous.  

[billyhoyle]

2 hours ago, Hokeye said:

1.  Are you not aware that you can simply look at the team standings on trackwrestling instead of trying to do your own math?  

2.  Yes- Increase interest by further limiting participation.  Maybe just have PSU wrestle an intrasquad and really fill the stands.

3. The covid thing was handled poorly, but you get 4 times to wrestle in the post season.  The covid crap is why it seems so different.

4. Stopping the replay crap would shorten matches.  Maybe make takedowns worth 3 instead of 2 and keep up that clip by making reversals 3 as well, thus making riding for the sake of riding a bit more dangerous.  

1. I mean for the average person watching on tv. You want team scoring to be simple and easy to follow. Obviously I know how it works. 
 

2. If you add a team championship, moving the individual tournament from a 3 to a 2 day event is a good idea. Fans don’t show up on Thursday. 16 individual qualifiers means the conference tournaments are more important. It also would mean more AAs from smaller schools because there would be fewer at large qualifying spots from the big 10. 
 

3. Where did this idea come from that everyone should compete in the post season 4 times no matter how long it takes? If you spend 3 years with various types of redshirts, you should get 1 or at most 2 postseasons. 

4. Good suggestions. 
 

Feel free to not like my ideas, but there’s no question this past season was a disaster. Changes are needed. 

Edited April 16, 2023 by billyhoyle