Plasmodium Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, mspart said: They lost so many people? You make it sound like an accident. Stalin starved them out. He killed them, they were not lost. Stalin only compares to Mao for how many were sacrificed on the alter of communism. mspart The losses were certainly no accident. I am only talking about WW2.
mspart Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 15 minutes ago, LJB said: Genghis Khan thinks stalin's numbers are adorable... Perhaps. I just looked on google and Khan dispatched 40 million. It says Stalin decimated 20 million. So maybe Khan is a better slaughterer. But just during the great leap forward in Mao's china, 45 million were killed in 4 years. Maybe they were only trying to check the population increase like Thanos. But I think they were just brutal and cruel murderers. mspart
LJB Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 khan is directly responsible for between 30-80 million... he single handedly changed the carbon footprint of this rock... directly related to 3% of the people living on the planet right this second... kinda makes people whining about means words seem a little silly, yes?
mspart Posted February 21, 2023 Posted February 21, 2023 Seems counter productive if you want to rule the world. Killing that many people leaves no one to rule. That's gotta be no fun really. mspart
LJB Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, mspart said: Seems counter productive if you want to rule the world. Killing that many people leaves no one to rule. That's gotta be no fun really. mspart khan would give them all choice pre-battle... it was totally up to them what happened next... it really did not matter to him because the end result was never in doubt... he was getting what he wanted and everyone else were free to jump on board if they wanted... or not... he also regularly gave his enemies' leaders a chance to join him if they performed admirably in battle... incredibly tolerant of others customs/religions/whatever... he was a fascinating warrior...
mspart Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 Back to the mice, interesting that all the experiments ended the same way. With total annihilation. mspart
LJB Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, mspart said: Much to admire there . mspart It’s almost like you have no knowledge or understanding of history…
mspart Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) Nice Ad hominem. Its almost like you have no knowledge or understanding of what you are talking about. You are essentially saying he was compassionate by not killing everyone in sight if they did what he wanted. And that is good. He was a good guy that allowed people to live their life and exercise their religion as long as they submitted to him. He was very tolerant because of this. Don't comply, you're dead. Much to admire there. Are you saying there is much to admire that the annihilation of 40 million people is outweighed by his compassion? mspart Edited February 22, 2023 by mspart
Plasmodium Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 Given the sparse populace and weaponry during that time, it is mind blowing they could kill that many. Analogous to the video game industry back in my day. A multi-billion dollar industry, one quarter at a time.
LJB Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, mspart said: Nice Ad hominem. Its almost like you have no knowledge or understanding of what you are talking about. You are essentially saying he was compassionate by not killing everyone in sight if they did what he wanted. And that is good. He was a good guy that allowed people to live their life and exercise their religion as long as they submitted to him. He was very tolerant because of this. Don't comply, you're dead. Much to admire there. Are you saying there is much to admire that the annihilation of 40 million people is outweighed by his compassion? mspart i am saying it is adorable when someone uses today's standards to judge someone from 1000 years ago... i am also saying you are very lucky to be living in the time you are now... my guess is it would have been a pretty rough life for someone like you in virtually every other time in history other than the last 100 years...
mspart Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, LJB said: i am saying it is adorable when someone uses today's standards to judge someone from 1000 years ago... i am also saying you are very lucky to be living in the time you are now... my guess is it would have been a pretty rough life for someone like you in virtually every other time in history other than the last 100 years... Classic projection. Look in the mirror LJB and say to yourself, "this applies to me as well". You are very lucky to be living now. That goes without saying. You would have a pretty rough life in any other time in history other than the last 100 years. Again goes without saying. What standards of today am I using to condemn Genghis Khan for his brutality of 1000 years ago? Was he not brutal? Was he not the killer of millions upon millions of people? Did those people have it coming? Is he a saint for having killed so many people? By what standard can you use to excuse his killing and brutality? He had a choice just like all of us do, kill people pretty much indiscriminately or don't. Does he have no blame for choosing the former? Surely based on your post, you can easily answer these questions. mspart
LJB Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, mspart said: Classic projection. Look in the mirror LJB and say to yourself, "this applies to me as well". You are very lucky to be living now. That goes without saying. You would have a pretty rough life in any other time in history other than the last 100 years. Again goes without saying. What standards of today am I using to condemn Genghis Khan for his brutality of 1000 years ago? Was he not brutal? Was he not the killer of millions upon millions of people? Did those people have it coming? Is he a saint for having killed so many people? By what standard can you use to excuse his killing and brutality? He had a choice just like all of us do, kill people pretty much indiscriminately or don't. Does he have no blame for choosing the former? Surely based on your post, you can easily answer these questions. mspart i am just saying your sensitive nature would not have served you very well in every period of history save this one... feel free to disagree... i am totally ok with that...
mspart Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 If I'm sensitive because i think Khan was barbaric, brutal, and a 1st degree murderer, then I'll be sensitive. My guess is that those living under his rule probably felt similar before losing their lives to him. mspart 1
MPhillips Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, mspart said: My guess is that those living under his rule probably felt similar before losing their lives to him. Those living under his rule followed him and killed for him. Those who wouldn't, died. .
LJB Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, MPhillips said: Those living under his rule followed him and killed for him. Those who wouldn't, died. almost like that was the way of the world every where on this planet up until just a few years ago... **clutches handbag**
LJB Posted February 22, 2023 Posted February 22, 2023 amusing side bar... early mongols living on the steppe would make clothing out of mice skins... that must have been a lot of poor mice... this was before the 1st degree murderer took over... once he started his reign they became a very profitable people and the 1st degree murder of cute furry rodents became 1st degree murder of much bigger and way less cute rodents... something that many in today's society would openly applaud... so... is ghengis a hero????? (trust the science) (wait) (am i conflating???)
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