red viking Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) Trump started off demanding "unconditional surrender" and now he's clearly looking for any excuse he can to end the war (but save face). But Iran is making bold demands because they know they have him by the balls and congress will choke off funding for this crap next year. Iran was strategically brilliant in using asymmetric warfare and closing the strait of hormuz. USA economy is very dependent upon cheap oil but USA can't keep the strait open themselves long term. Our old allies aren't helping because Trump has been a scumbag to them. That's called "payback," plain and simple. Not sure exactly how this ends, but we'll lose this war, just like we lost to the taliban goat herders livin in caves in Afghanistan. Edited March 27 by red viking 1 Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
wrestlingguy Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Iran rejected the ceasefire because they want to keep their nuclear weapons. Do you support Iran having nuclear weapons?
Caveira Posted March 27 Posted March 27 15 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said: Iran rejected the ceasefire because they want to keep their nuclear weapons. Do you support Iran having nuclear weapons? He told us to surrender to Iran a few weeks back
red viking Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 17 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said: Iran rejected the ceasefire because they want to keep their nuclear weapons. Do you support Iran having nuclear weapons? I couldn't care less. If we just left them alone, and didn't back all the crimes by Israel, Iran-owned nukes wouldn't be a threat. We keep sticking our noses in the MIddle east and doing whatever Israel wants and THAT is the only reason why a nuclear Iran is a threat to us. Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
mspart Posted March 27 Posted March 27 Please back up your statement that Iran has checkmated the US. - They have no navy - They have no Air Force - They have no anti Aircraft capability - They have greatly reduced access to drones and missiles - Their first tier of leaders is exterminated - Their second tier of leaders is exterminated - Their IRG is losing leadership - Somebody from Iran is wanting to negotiate in Pakistan with Pakistan, Egypt and Turkey as mediators Based on the above, I am having a difficult time reconciling your statement on check mate. mspart
red viking Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 (edited) 16 minutes ago, mspart said: Please back up your statement that Iran has checkmated the US. - They have no navy - They have no Air Force - They have no anti Aircraft capability - They have greatly reduced access to drones and missiles - Their first tier of leaders is exterminated - Their second tier of leaders is exterminated - Their IRG is losing leadership - Somebody from Iran is wanting to negotiate in Pakistan with Pakistan, Egypt and Turkey as mediators Based on the above, I am having a difficult time reconciling your statement on check mate. mspart Asymmetric warfare and being smart. That's how Vietnam and taliban kicked the crap out of us. And if u think the people are gonna support a u.s. puppet govt for very long, after everything weve done ( and israel has done), I have a glacier to sell ya!! We're peeing into the wind. Next regime there will double efforts to get nukes after this. Edited March 27 by red viking Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
JimmySpeaks Posted March 27 Posted March 27 There’s a reason why Trump didn’t plop in a US backed government into Venezuela. I’m guessing it will be similar in Iran. LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
red viking Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 30 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said: There’s a reason why Trump didn’t plop in a US backed government into Venezuela. I’m guessing it will be similar in Iran. He won't because he can't. Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
El Luchador Posted March 27 Posted March 27 4 hours ago, red viking said: I couldn't care less. If we just left them alone, and didn't back all the crimes by Israel, Iran-owned nukes wouldn't be a threat. We keep sticking our noses in the MIddle east and doing whatever Israel wants and THAT is the only reason why a nuclear Iran is a threat to us. Do you think we should leave people alone who murder their people to the magnitude where we debate over how many tens of thousands of their people they actually killed?
red viking Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 (edited) 34 minutes ago, El Luchador said: Do you think we should leave people alone who murder their people to the magnitude where we debate over how many tens of thousands of their people they actually killed? Not the responsibility of the hard working u.s. taxpayers. Especially when it's on other side of the world. But do you really think that's why we're there? To help the common folk over there? If so, I have a glacier to sell you. We're there for the reason that Rubio admitted Edited March 27 by red viking Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
mspart Posted March 27 Posted March 27 (edited) 4 hours ago, red viking said: Asymmetric warfare and being smart. That's how Vietnam and taliban kicked the crap out of us. And if u think the people are gonna support a u.s. puppet govt for very long, after everything weve done ( and israel has done), I have a glacier to sell ya!! We're peeing into the wind. Next regime there will double efforts to get nukes after this. OK, I get that you are against this. I'm just wondering if you have any hard evidence that we are in checkmate. Besides, we have enough glaciers over here, they are a dime a dozen. mspart Edited March 27 by mspart
red viking Posted March 27 Author Posted March 27 (edited) 22 minutes ago, mspart said: OK, I get that you are against this. I'm just wondering if you have any hard evidence that we are in checkmate. Besides, we have enough glaciers over here, they are a dime a dozen. mspart Because our economy depends upon the strait being open and we can't keep it open ourselves. We also can't put a puppet govt in there now because the war has united the country, at least a little. Edited March 27 by red viking Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
mspart Posted March 28 Posted March 28 8 minutes ago, red viking said: Because our economy depends upon the strait being open and we can't keep it open ourselves. We also can't put a puppet govt in there now because the war has united the country, at least a little. Those are opinions. Looking for hard evidence that the US cannot secure the straight. Looking for evidence that the county has united. The stated aim is not to put in a puppet government but to create conditions that will allow someone inside to take over. You are correct, our track record has not been good at installing puppet governments. mspart
JimmySpeaks Posted March 28 Posted March 28 It’s funny how we’re supposed to take care of people that come here from all over the world but not worry about what happens to people from other places in the world. Oh the hypocrisy LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
red viking Posted March 28 Author Posted March 28 Just now, JimmySpeaks said: It’s funny how we’re supposed to take care of people that come here from all over the world but not worry about what happens to people from other places in the world. Oh the hypocrisy Hypocritical to put Americans first, over people on other side of world? You idiot. Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
JimmySpeaks Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) Yep. Americans first in America. Not unlawfuls. Oh the hypocrisy Edited March 28 by JimmySpeaks LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
red viking Posted March 28 Author Posted March 28 2 minutes ago, mspart said: Those are opinions. Looking for hard evidence that the US cannot secure the straight. Looking for evidence that the county has united. The stated aim is not to put in a puppet government but to create conditions that will allow someone inside to take over. You are correct, our track record has not been good at installing puppet governments. mspart Hard evidence is that its closed right now and we're begging other countries fir help. I'm not hearing anything anymore about mass protests or uprisings over there. Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
red viking Posted March 28 Author Posted March 28 Just now, JimmySpeaks said: Yep. Americans first in America. Not illegals. Nobody disagrees w that that I Know of. Another winger strawman. Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
JimmySpeaks Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Shocking that the protesters would be shut down in Iran. LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
JimmySpeaks Posted March 28 Posted March 28 People on record supporting unlawfuls doing slave labor here might want to sit this one out. Because who’s going to pick our crops?? LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
red viking Posted March 28 Author Posted March 28 1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said: Shocking that the protesters would be shut down in Iran. Which ones. Where? Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
JimmySpeaks Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) I’m so glad I can afford to vote red in a blue state. Makes me smile. Edited March 28 by JimmySpeaks LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
red viking Posted March 28 Author Posted March 28 Just now, JimmySpeaks said: People on record supporting unlawfuls doing slave labor here might want to sit this one out. Because who’s going to pick our crops?? You idiot. You aren't "helping" people when you allow them to do slave labor. Fighting the Good Fight Against Non-Stop Winger Lies and Hypocrisy
JimmySpeaks Posted March 28 Posted March 28 Exactly. Now you know why unlawfuls are being used as slaves. LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
JimmySpeaks Posted March 28 Posted March 28 (edited) Idiots on record saying they committ less crimes and should be allowed are just plain stupid. You know whom you are. Edited March 28 by JimmySpeaks LIVING the dream in the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet!!!!
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