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We can do this all day. You've already acknowledged your initial question was stupid, though you haven't realized that yet. You are unable to see past your ideological blinders. You think leftists are undisciplined, lazy, not committed to personal responsibility, etc...because you have an extremely narrow conception of what those things mean and how they can manifest. Let's use an extreme example: The Palestine protestors on campus. It takes tremendous discipline to camp in one spot for weeks, foregoing fun social activities and comfort, all while facing serious personal and professional consequences for doing it. It takes a lot of hard work to organize such a venture. It requires organizing supplies, shelter, and people to act as one cohesive unit. It's incredibly tough and gritty to stand in the face of police officers in riot gear as they try to strike you and drag you away. Imagine the discipline it takes to stand in place while your lungs fill with tear gas. And why were they doing this? Because they felt personally responsible, as citizens of the country to funds and arms Israel, for Israel's actions in Gaza. That's an abundance of personal responsibility! You are narrow-minded, and I mean that very literally. You don't understand how core principles can manifest in different ways.

Since y’all like AI this now proves this to be a fact not a stereotype. Two fascinating facts here. Liberals mostly do not like wrestling. It is to hard of a sport for them. It is impossible for a wrestling fan to like the wnba more than wrestling. For liberals in the U.S., the top sports they are more likely to be fans of (compared with conservatives) include: Soccer (MLS, World Cup, international football) – tends to attract younger, urban, and diverse fans. Basketball (NBA, WNBA, college basketball) – especially the NBA, which polls show has a more liberal fan base. Tennis – especially with interest in players like Serena Williams, Naomi Osaka, Rafael Nadal. Track & Field / Running / Marathons – often tied to health, fitness, and urban events. Swimming – both Olympic swimming and recreational swimming rank high in liberal-leaning areas. Surfing / Skateboarding – alternative/lifestyle sports often connected to liberal coastal cultures. Cycling – both competitive and recreational, especially in liberal cities like Portland, Austin, Boulder. Climbing / Outdoor Adventure Sports – rock climbing, hiking, mountaineering often overlap with liberal outdoors culture. Baseball (MLB) – still has a strong liberal fan base in big cities, though it skews mixed overall. Women’s Sports in general – WNBA, NWSL (soccer), women’s college basketball, etc. have disproportionately liberal fan bases.

I like the nuance. Let's continue. @BerniePragle Why does ChatGPT pair individual efforts with collective crutches? Who decides what are fair conditions? This attempts to a soften leftist flaws while implying conservative views are harsh. A conservative gives consideration to what ChatGPT says but the balance in the details makes a difference.

Do leftists support personal responsibility ChatGPT said: Yes, many leftists do support personal responsibility—but they may define and prioritize it differently than conservatives or libertarians. Here's how personal responsibility is viewed from a leftist perspective: What Leftists Generally Agree With: You should take care of yourself and others (e.g., health, education, financial planning). People are accountable for their actions (e.g., you can't just blame society for everything). Personal responsibility and social responsibility go hand in hand. The Nuance: Structural Context Matters Where leftists often diverge from conservatives is how much weight they put on systemic factors that influence personal outcomes. Examples: A conservative might say: “If you're poor, it's because you didn’t work hard enough.” A leftist might respond: “Hard work matters—but access to education, healthcare, and fair wages plays a big role too.” In other words: Leftists believe people should take responsibility—but they also believe society should provide fair conditions so that personal responsibility is actually possible and meaningful. Key Leftist Beliefs Related to Responsibility: Principle Leftist View on Responsibility Healthcare People should manage their health, but access must be equal. Education Study hard, but quality schools should be available to all. Crime & Justice Actions have consequences, but root causes should be addressed. Poverty Budgeting matters, but wages, housing, and social safety nets matter too. Summary: Leftists do support personal responsibility, but they don’t see it in isolation. They emphasize that individual effort is important, but fair social structures are essential to make that effort meaningful and achievable. Do leftists support personal responsibillity ChatGPT said: Yes, many leftists do support personal responsibility—but they may define and prioritize it differently than conservatives or libertarians. Here's how personal responsibility is viewed from a leftist perspective: What Leftists Generally Agree With: You should take care of yourself and others (e.g., health, education, financial planning). People are accountable for their actions (e.g., you can't just blame society for everything). Personal responsibility and social responsibility go hand in hand. The Nuance: Structural Context Matters Where leftists often diverge from conservatives is how much weight they put on systemic factors that influence personal outcomes. Examples: A conservative might say: “If you're poor, it's because you didn’t work hard enough.” A leftist might respond: “Hard work matters—but access to education, healthcare, and fair wages plays a big role too.” In other words: Leftists believe people should take responsibility—but they also believe society should provide fair conditions so that personal responsibility is actually possible and meaningful. Key Leftist Beliefs Related to Responsibility: Principle Leftist View on Responsibility Healthcare People should manage their health, but access must be equal. Education Study hard, but quality schools should be available to all. Crime & Justice Actions have consequences, but root causes should be addressed. Poverty Budgeting matters, but wages, housing, and social safety nets matter too. Summary: Leftists do support personal responsibility, but they don’t see it in isolation. They emphasize that individual effort is important, but fair social structures are essential to make that effort meaningful and achievable. If you're looking at a specific policy or issue, I can break down how personal responsibility is seen through a leftist lens in that context. You said: Do leftists value discipline and hard work? ChatGPT said: Yes, many leftists do value discipline and hard work—but again, the way they frame these values often differs from conservative or capitalist narratives. What Leftists Generally Believe About Discipline and Hard Work: Value Leftist View Discipline Important for personal growth, education, activism, and solidarity. Hard Work Respected—but shouldn't be exploited or used to justify inequality. Key Differences in Emphasis: 1. Hard work should not equal exploitation Leftists tend to reject the idea that hard work justifies extreme wealth gaps or low wages: “If a farm worker toils 12 hours a day, and a CEO works 8, why does only one get a livable wage?” They argue that hard work is everywhere, but rewards aren't fairly distributed. 2. Discipline is often tied to collective action In leftist movements (like labor unions, anti-racist organizing, or climate activism), discipline is essential: Staying committed to long-term goals Organizing protests or strikes Building institutions (e.g., co-ops, community orgs) So while the language of discipline may be less emphasized in mainstream leftist culture than, say, in military or business culture, the practice of it is absolutely there. Countering Misconceptions: Myth: “Leftists want handouts and don’t want to work.” Reality: Most leftists support public investment, fair wages, and dignity for all work—not laziness or dependency. Summary: Leftists do value discipline and hard work, but they also: Critique how capitalism rewards some labor over others unfairly Believe everyone deserves dignity and basic needs, regardless of job type See discipline as part of sustained, collective efforts for justice—not just individual success

We know quite a bit about Thomas Crooks. It just doesn't track with the juicy headline people want, so they ignored it. He had an extended descent into mental illness. Father reported finding him dancing and talking to himself in his room. His internet search history shows him researching severe depression. Started buying guns and explosives. Wrote an essay on the evils of divisive political campaigns for class. Here's some good reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/08/us/thomas-crooks-trump-shooter-butler-rally.html?searchResultPosition=1 I think the general takeaway is this kid had fairly middle of the road politics (came from a mixed politics family and peers report moderate opinions) and generally disliked how hostile American politics have become. Then he suffered a mental breakdown of sorts that eventually led to violent inclinations. The most divisive politician of his lifetime visited his hometown and, after the effects of the mental issues, it "made sense" to him to kill him. The golf-course assassin's case is more clear. He had a long criminal history and was a generally strange guy. Voted for Trump in 2016. Hated him by the end of his first term. Became obsessed with the war in Ukraine (tried to volunteer to fight for Ukraine). That is his stated motivation for the assassination attempt. This actually is a another good example of why your reliance on stereotypes is dangerous. The *accuracy* of your stereotypes is only as good as your knowledge of the world and you seem to have very little drive to learn about the world (lack of personal responsibility imo). All of this stuff has been out there for along time and is easily accessible. Instead, you just assumed because you hadn't seen it, it didn't exist.

OMG AI is so biased and bigoted. /s

Yea I am assuming they have Catrabone at 157 where he did not have that many matches so he's not ranked? Or they are waiting for the 157/165 situation to sort itself out?

I agree Emami has a chance for a Bronze on rare occasions. For Javan I guess its a chance to try justify being there but there is stiff competition

Pro - effective shot. Not Pro - Lucky shot. Either way, Kirk is dead. mspart

I agree with you on the basis of Jaxon Joy being ranked as highly as him. He had 29 wins compared to 1 loss. They must be giving him lofty rankings based off his quantity of wins. He has a loss to Catrabone, who is unranked, so I'm not sure the logic.

What about this makes you think he's a pro? Very much the opposite from my perspective.

That is the foundational premise of your original question. If you understood that not all leftists are the same, you would never ask how leftists can like wrestling. You think you're including far more nuance in your use of stereotypes than you actually are.

I do not know if we will learn who unalived Kirk at this point. I won't believe it. What's the scoop behind the would-be Trump assassins? The second shooter (ear)? Did we ever get their backstory, motivations, and so on? What became of them? Are they still breathing?

133: Blaze 4 He might be the only guy I would rank off rip. (because you can only rank one of Duke/Kasak and Dee has no results to gauge with, on ability, he would be top 5) Other than Mendoza, I don't know of any other big name freshman who are projected to be starting this year

Your assumption that I would think all leftists are the same makes an ass out of you. Your current inability to have a conversation about groups without getting caught up about individuals is thankfully correctable.

That makes sense, and I understand that freestyle doesn't count. However, Joy has no wins (although the quantity is impressive) over anyone in the top 20, so his ranking at 10 (even though his ability could warrant it) doesn't seem entirely logical to me based on the system they seemingly are employing

Penn State has nobody ranked at 133. Davis is ranked at 141. I guess this means either Blaze, Ono or (unranked) Nagao at 133.

Looks like we get Mason Parris VS Kyle Snyder at RAF2 as a CO-Headliner. Curious who the headliner(s) will be.

Your response only refers to the dangers. Sure, let's ask AI Are stereotypes factually wrong? Why are stereotypes good? How does one determine if a stereotype is accurate? If our stereotypes were always factually wrong (e.g. tiger temperament), we humans would be dead. Our survival alone is self-evident that stereotypes can have their benefits. Psychology Today had an article claiming the displeasing truth that stereotypes are often accurate (link). It refers to other articles with empirical evidence of accuracy, some of which talk about the wrong education out there about assumed inaccuracies. But what is accurate? How about 65%. Given the CDC recognizes 73.6% of adults age 20 and older are overweight, it is accurate to say that Americans are fat.

For me, Emami yes, Javan no.

I was wondering when you were going to get to the “all” dilemma.

Here's some data for you. Took 30 seconds to find. https://prospect.org/blogs-and-newsletters/tap/how-racist-are-republicans-very/ PRRI also asked respondents whether they believed that, “It always makes the country better when all Americans speak up and protest unfair treatment by government.” Then, it asked the same question, but substituted “Black Americans” for “all Americans.” Democrats made no distinction between the two questions: 71 percent answered Yes to both. Among Republicans, however, 49 percent believed it made the country better when all Americans spoke up and protested unfair governmental treatment, but just 24 percent believed it when Black Americans spoke up and protested.

Watch out, you sound like Charlie Kirk.

Going back to the original statement, you asked "how can a leftist like wrestling?" If you actually understood why stereotypes are illogical - the problematic use of "all" you allude to here - you would never ask such a question. You would know that not all leftists dislike hard work and personal responsibility, and therefore individual leftists liking wrestling is perfectly logical (setting aside the fact that your stereotype is inaccurate from the beginning). Using your example here, the equivalent question would be "how can a programmer be an extrovert?" Do I need to explain how that's a dumb question or do you see it yet?