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Which teams are overperforming / underperforming so far?
Lunaticfringe replied to Jimmy Cinnabon's topic in College Wrestling
To me Minnesota has underperformed. Isaiah Salazar is a returning semi finalist and ranked top 10 all year, goes 0-2. Wells and Flynn don’t shoot, if they did they could be round of 12 to top 6.Vombaur was almost teched by Mendez. Sparks went 1-2. -
I enjoyed the Luke Lilledahl championship contender era
Caveira replied to Jimmy Cinnabon's topic in College Wrestling
If. If only if. -
Session 3 Predictions Quarterfinals: (1) Kasak, Tyler def. (8) Blaze, Joey | Dec 6-5 (20) Chumbley, Trevor def. (12) Fish, Caleb | Dec 7-6 (3) Taylor, Antrell def. (11) Bianchi, Matty | Dec 7-6 (2) Shapiro, Meyer def. (7) Zerban, Vince | Dec 9-4 Wrestle-Backs Round 2: Lovett, Johnny def. McGee, DJ | Dec 6-4 Saldate, Chase def. Evans, Dylan | Dec 7-6 Swisher, Jude def. Rozynski, Logan | MD 12-4 Downey, Ryder def. Harrington, Jimmy | Dec 8-4 Hipolito, Rafael def. Siebrecht, Cobe | Dec 8-6 Cannon, Brandon def. Scott, Ed | Dec 8-7 Askey, Tommy def. Miller, Ethen | Dec 8-7 Chittum, Cody def. Castillo, Noah | Dec 10-3 AA Prediction Update 1. Shapiro, Meyer (Seed 2, Cornell, 5-0) 2. Kasak, Tyler (Seed 1, Penn State, 4-1) 3. Blaze, Joey (Seed 8, Purdue, 6-1) 4. Taylor, Antrell (Seed 3, Nebraska, 4-2) 5. Cannon, Brandon (Seed 5, Ohio State, 6-2) 6. Chumbley, Trevor (Seed 20, Northwestern, 3-3) 7. Bianchi, Matt (Seed 11, Little Rock, 4-2) 8. McGee, DJ (Seed 17, George Mason, 4-3) Wrestler seeded 17-33 with most wins: McGee, DJ (Seed 17, George Mason, 4-3) with 4 wins [repost to address name mismatch induced bug]
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By comparison to their upper weights which are the absolute Mt. Rushmore of wrestlers and coaches. Nico/RBY/Nick Lee/Zain/Molinaro/Nolf etc. probably still better than any other program. And I note that Haines, who won last year as a lower weight, had Cody, following him up, in his corner yesterday at 174. Even if you quibble with Nolf and Haines as "middle weights" not "light weights" PSU is still top tier at the lower weights.
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I feel sorry for him for another unlated reason which all can see.
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Former teammates Chase Saldate and Caleb Fish will wrestle in the blood round for AA honors.
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Saldate vs Fish in the Bloods, 2 former MSU teammates
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I'd love to have seen those 2 under the lights on Saturday. I'm butthurt because this was such a talented field of heavyweights coming into the season and now its so anticlimactic.
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I'm still mad at JB for not finding a way for Spencer to come out for the gold medal match to the Pokemon theme song
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Hmmmm. What happened here
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Steveson is the most gifted and dominate college wrestler I've ever seen and that includes Cael. Its too easy for him at this level. I think he'd destroy stephen neal if they wrestled in their primes.
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The problem with your hypothetical is that Pindickson isn't getting past Kerk. And I'm as big a fan of Farva as it gets round these parts
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As I've stated all along, Penn states light weights aren't very good. Coaching for those weights is average too
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Nassir Bailey beat out
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Will Wrestling for Boys/Men Start to Follow Suit?
CHROMEBIRD replied to Tom formerly Tofurky's topic in College Wrestling
I like both styles but don't really know which is better for the sport in the US. Freestyle does allow for a smoother transition to International and Olympic competition, but that's such a tiny fraction of people in the sport. Folkstyle might have broader appeal at the college & prep levels because it teaches better overall self-defense skills and is more accessible and useful for folks who come from or want to get into MMA or BJJ. Freestyle development is important, but I can see folkstyle being a worthy counterbalance at the college & prep levels. So why not both? I don't feel the same way about Greco, though. -
As was covered a week or two ago, we're talking about the reliably best tournament team having everything go totally wrong and a generally underachieving tournament team having everything go totally right, and then PSU probably still wins by more than a few points. The team races for 2nd and 4th are where the action is at and are pretty interesting. I lean toward OSU beating Nebraska in a statement weekend for the Cowboys, but I wouldn't bet much on it.
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And start pronouncing pinfall correctly.
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JB is doing a great job of announcing and doing play by play. But please stop trying to pronounce accents of foreign names. It sounds very forced.
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@Jimmy Cinnabon and @jajensen09 may want to get a room.
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And it's a total mismatch, so how amazing is Steveson? The only suspense I see here is maybe Gable has choice in the second period, Gavin or Molinaro shout at him from the stands to take take down, and being such an agreeable guy he does; and then Hendrickson takes top in the third, so he has two shots at turning him and ends up catching him with one of them.
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FTFY
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Session 3 Predictions Quarterfinals: (1) Henson, Caleb def. (8) Williams, Jordan | Dec 8-4 (12) Stiles, Ethan def. (13) D'Emilio, Dylan | Dec 7-5 (3) Van Ness, Shayne def. (6) McNeil, Lachlan | Dec 6-5 (2) Lovett, Ridge def. (10) Realbuto, Colin | Dec 7-4 Wrestle-Backs Round 2: Whalen, Ty def. Travis, Teague | Dec 6-5 Realbuto, Colin def. Hines, Malyke | Dec 9-6 Alvarez, Sammy def. McDougald, Willie | Dec 8-4 Johnson, Paniro def. Clark, Andrew | Dec 8-3 Lamer, Chance def. Gioffre, Jack | MD 13-5 Parco, Kyle def. Drexler, Gavin | Dec 6-5 Wasilewski, Cross def. DesRosier, Carson | Dec 10-3 Abas, Jaden def. Fernandez, Ethan | Dec 7-6 Updated AA Predictions 1. Henson, Caleb (Seed 1, Virginia Tech, 5-0) 2. Lovett, Ridge (Seed 2, Nebraska, 4-1) 3. Van Ness, Shayne (Seed 3, Penn State, 5-1) 4. Stiles, Ethan (Seed 12, Oregon State, 4-2) 5. McNeil, Lachlan (Seed 6, North Carolina, 5-2) 6. Williams, Jordan (Seed 8, Little Rock, 4-3) 7. Parco, Kyle (Seed 5, Iowa, 5-2) 8. Whalen, Ty (Seed 15, Princeton, 4-3) Wrestler seeded 17-33 with most wins: Fernandez, Ethan (Seed 18, Cornell, 2-2) with 2 wins ...reposted due to name conflicts causing errant results
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The only changes I'd make would be Bartlett over Mendez and Buchanon over Ferrari, but other than that ditto.
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Looked/sounded like Gavin's instructions. If so, that's really frustrating. Borderline indefensible decision. How complicated is this? He needs a takedown to win. Period. He's not going to win the rideouts in overtime. So he needs a TD in the third period or SV. And everyone knew he was very likely to give up at least a riding point, and probably get ridden out if he took down. So you take neutral and have a full two minutes to get a TD and win the match. Hard to watch the wrestler pay the price for such a bad call, particularly given that it subjected us to another splits/horrifying interview.