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i don't believe it for a second. Ryan didn't know he was considering other schools? I guess he might have freaked out on him when didn't committ to tOSU and it got burned from bassett's end.

Cal Poly develops there guys as well as anyone...they all get stolen but whatever.

....what was she doing then? sounds like worst of all worlds.

idk when you're on cycle I'm pretty sure the swimmers aren't working very well..... When I saw this title I assumed someone had somehow placed 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th in some sort of individual sport.

do they normally let the guy they might fire give a statement as a rep of the university?

we all know cael isn't a talker, but they fact that he hasn't made any statement is not a good sign...kinda makes you think they aren't letting him cause he's not the face anymore...

i've been too harsh on this topic, i should have just said I don't think this is a problem that "the wrestling community" needs to answer more specifically than any other group of sufficient size.

i'm sympathetic to what you're saying, but lets take the youth coach example, and for now keep it in the verbal domain, whats the line? Do you have a hard and fast rule? What is a "complete psycho"? Plenty of people look unhinged and are fine, but the most dangerous people are the opposite, so whats the change of policy we need?

third attempt to drag politics into the topic....give it a rest dude.

i think the argument is "I did something wrong, but it didn't help me at all so it doesn't warrant a punishment".

I appreciate your effort, so I am gonna restate my position as well as I can, and if someone points out an instance where I was implying something else I'll apologize. "In a world where we are all moving forward productively, you should not criticize someone for saying what they think, especially if you should have inferred that belief already." -Me. If you don't support his belief that is a different and much deeper question than whether he should have said it or not. Aside from that, I think Brooks has 1.5 feet in the a$$hole camp, I think he's immature and narcissistic in his perception of religion and use of his platform, and I think his public statements are self serving and do nothing to promote the causes he claims to be advocating.

give an example

ok so "stop admiring people, they might do something bad," is the solution? thats not gonna work

no it hasn't

there is some serious goal post shifting going on. Whether or not Brooks should be criticized for stating something he believes is a different subject than whether everything he's every said is in good taste and in keeping with the humility his claims imply he should be embodying.

If this is a useful topic, not uselessly pretending an insanely general problem is specific to wrestling, let me know the general practice most of us support which is enabling this behavior and has to be changed.

ahhh, its just a random guy saying he's gonna beat me up....

how is that a wrestling specific issue? It sounds like the problem is "power hierarchies don't function perfectly", well welcome to earth.

where's the prediction in the prediction portion?

ad hominem!

Yeah but there is no logical space between the two statements. It gets about a 2 on "out of line but true" meter. We can't be holding our athletes to this level of scrutiny its a waste of time.

It seems like a lot of people are pissed off at Brooks for stating the core tenant of his value structure, which doesn't sound like tolerance to me.... Again the reality is this is political. People hear him say that feed it into their TDS machine and it tells them to get self righteous for the 12th time this week.

I maintain he wasn't. At least no more than a muslim is offensive to him.

this doesn't make any sense. and i still don't know what you were talking about

what statement was that?