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This is the text from his Instagram post on the subject.

I’m a little skeptical of Mineo’s reporting here. I don’t think that things get proven at a preliminary hearing and Sasso’s attorney waived the preliminary hearing. So I don’t know how anything could have been proved at this particular preliminary hearing. Pretty much nothing happened yesterday and things are just proceeding. He does appear to be facing three misdemeanor charges and one summary offense. Next court date is 8/28.

Could it be a coincidence that this is the first class that did not receive a free year from COVID?

It was there! It's been there since April.

I think there are three non champs with 5 PFs. Dan Gable 2nd place 1970 in 22:08, Darryl Peterson 5th place 1985 in 5:31, and Gary Albright 3rd place 1986 15:34. Both Gable and Peterson benefited from a championship pig tail. You had Albright and Gable with 5 falls in the table in your thread on this award, but Peterson only had 4 falls in the table. Interesting stuff in that thread.

Darryl Peterson ISU at NCAAs in 1985 5 falls in 1:32+1:00+1:40+0:41+0:38=5:31 Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF John Long (VMI) 1:32 Kirk Trost (Michigan) Dec. Darryl Peterson (ISU) 5-3 Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Mark Johnson (Army) 1:00 Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) 1:40 Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Al Sears (SIU-Edwardsville) 0:41 Steve Sefter (PSU) Dec. Darryl Peterson (ISU) 6-1 Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Kahlan O'Hara (OSU) 0:38 Rick Petersen Lock Haven at NCAAs in 1985 1 Fall in 1:02 Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) WBF Andy Cope (Indiana State) 1:02 Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) MD Jeff Green (Morgan State) 10-2 Kirk Trost (Michigan) Dec. Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) 10-8 Darryl Peterson (ISU) WBF Rick Petersen (Lock Haven) 1:40

Darryl Peterson ISU 1985. 5 PFs in 5:32. Finished 5th at unlimited. I think he is the overall Gorriaran at NCAAs. If I'm off on that it's because there are multiple Petersons in that bracket and they wrested each other.

His performance wasn't only outstanding It was historic. One cannot score more team points than he did. A wrestler has only maxed that out a handful of times. He was also the Gorrarian of all NCAA tournaments up to that point. By that I mean at the 1973 tournament he had 5 pins in 13:52. No one had more that 5 pins and no one had 5 pins in less time. Since 1973 someone has scored 5 pin at NCAAs in less time, but that person didn't win the title.

If Askren never redshirted he’d be 1-11 against Pendleton in college and only a one time champ/Hodge winner. Kevin would still believe that Askren jumped levels after Pendleton graduated and that 2006 Askren would beat peak Pendleton. In the timeline that actually happened Pendleton was 7-1 against Askren in folkstyke and 2-0 in freestyle. Kevin thinks Askren jumped levels after Pendleton graduated and either the jump didn’t work for freestyle or he jumped back by the time they wrestled in freestyle a second time. There is a window in time from late June 2005 to early October 2009 when Askren totally would handled Pendleton... Unfortunately they didn’t wrestle during this period.

Wait they picked Askren in the top spot? Did they forget about Carter Starocci? This made me watch the announcement video. They didn't even mention Greg Jones or Ed Ruth. Jones beat two of the guys they did mention Koscheck and Pendleton. The only other champs they didn't mention at all were Robbie Lawler, Matt Brown, Myles Martin, and Dean Hamiti. Ruth and Jones should have been included.

All Sun Belt teams have opted into or rather not opted out of revenue sharing. The VA law limits mandatory student fees to 55% of the athletic budget. JMU was way above that. I think they got on some schedule to come into compliance after joining the Sun Belt Conference. Not sure if that has happened, but if SCORE is a total prohibition then I'm sure they are nowhere near compliance. Large fees to subsidize intercollegiate athletics is more of a Virginia thing than a Sun Belt conference thing. Even some schools without FBS programs do it. Below is a table from of the fee breakdown at VA public schools from a couple years ago. The amount of athletic spending from student fees at UVA and VT are subject to a lower limit of something like 20 or 25%. You're right I was wrong about the deductibility of the mandatory contribution. I suppose the only benefit to not just charging the ticket price would be to juke the the numbers for the revenue share. Of the schools I looked at Wisconsin was unique in that they referred to it as a recommended contribution. I wonder how likely you are to get tickets if you opt out of that recommendation and it the slightly different language would make it deductible.

$1000 for parking for 7 dates is insane. Setting aside the implications for the revenue share calculation. I don't really think anyone should be able to deduct any portion of the price of a sports ticket on their taxes. It is pretty clear that is what's happening with PSU pricing. The worst ticket in the stadium and the best only have a price difference of less than $70/season. The contribution is different by >$600. One reason I looked at JMU when looking up season ticket prices is because their sports teams are most heavily subsidized by mandatory student fees. I thought perhaps it might be a little different there. Students at JMU pay mandatory fees of over $5000/year. About half of the fee goes to funding athletic programs. There are already state laws in VA that JMU are violating due to the size of the fee. The two FBS schools that most heavily rely on their own students to fund football are VA public universities in the Sun Belt that dropped wrestling to focus on football. JMU and ODU. The Clemson/CSU/Fresno fees are a deal by comparison.

To me the thing that sets Askren apart overall is that he made the Olympic team. Pendleton never represented the US at the World/Olympics. Though he also had 2 freestyle wins over Askren. As far as NCAA career I don't think Askren would prefer Pendleton's or vice versa. I am sure a lot of wrestlers would choose Pendleton's. The biggest advantage for Askren are the two Hodges and the finals appearance as a freshman. Pendleton was pulled out of redshirt as a freshman after Ty Wilcox's injury. That isn't the kind of thing that would have happened to Askren at Missouri, but at OSU they are competing for the team title every year and it was all hands on deck. He might have had closer NCAA and Big 12 placements to Askren if he had been able to redshirt as a freshman. If you compare years 3-5 in college they are pretty close. The trade off was being part of 3 NCAA championship teams including a champ on the 5 champ team - one of the best in NCAA history. OSU also won 4 Big 12 team titles and 3 national dual titles during Pendleton's career. For all Askren did at Missouri they never won a major title as a team. Not NCAAs, Big 12s, or National Duals. Their biggest team accomplishment was finishing 3rd at NCAAs. I think a lot of people would pick Pendleton's career and a lot would prefer Askren's.

I think an important part you are leaving out are the three team championships OSU won with Pendleton on the team.

Perhaps another interesting way to look at this issue is through the career of Cael Sanderson since he is both the GOAT wrestler and a GOAT coach. Was he closer to winning a team title as a wrestler or a head coach at ISU? The same is true of Dan Gable, but he coached and wrestled at two different places so less variables are controlled. At ISU with Sanderson as a wrestler they placed 4th, 2nd, 6th, 2nd. They also had 6 national champs and 16 AAs. In his three years as a head coach ISU was similarly good. They finished 2nd, 5th, and 3rd with 2 national champs and 15 AAs. That's more individual national titles/year with the Sanderson the wrestler and more AAs/year with Sanderson the coach. Team finishes are very close. The same best finish (2nd) and median (3rd) with a slightly better mean. The teams with Sanderson the wrestler were probably a little better with higher team point totals even accounting for scoring differences. His senior year they had three champs and his freshman year might have been the best. They had 109.5 points and lost by only 6.5 team points. Three ISU wrestlers lost overtime finals matches that year including one to an Iowa wrestler. Iowa won the title so if that OT match had gone the other way ISU wins. Still the closest to winning a title might have been 2007. They finished 2nd to Minnesota 9.5 points back, but the Gophers only scored 98 team points. Looking at Gable ISU finished 2nd, 1st, and 1st with him on the roster. They had 20 AAs and 9 national champs those three years. They year they finished 2nd they had three champs and were 2 points back. In his first three years as the head coach at Iowa the Hawkeyes were similarly good. Gable took over a team that had just won the team title and they went 3rd, 1st, 1st under him. They had 17 AAs and 3 national champs in that time frame. It's unclear If the start of Sanderson and Gables coaching careers exceeded the team accomplishments when they were wrestlers. Its more of a guess how this would go if they had wrestled/coached at a small program.