Jim L

"Matisde" weigh-in already occur at the big BJJ tournaments without any issues. Uniform, skin and weight check are done in a bullpen before you are allowed to go to the mat area with no delays, a few extra bodies are needed to staff this area.

Agree, I love this bit of mythology and the belief that it proves how great Gable was. I heard USA wrestling is doing the same thing now to find someone to beat Sadulaev. Scouts are out from the Alaskan tundra to inner city Miami hoping to find someone to beat Sadulaev as we have found anyone in traditional wrestling hotspots that can beat him.

Very interesting. I don't watch a lot of Greco, so I am surprised by this. It would be interesting to see how many of those points are TDs v. FS. Also, passivity penalty points should not be part of that average IMO.

Most of those sports are not sponsored by US high schools, so this lead to a relatively small number of athletes participating. Even at the senior level, athletes in those sports do not cut the amount wrestlers do, with the exception of MMA.

Can a college mix and match what sports they opt-in on? OR if you are in on one sport you have to be in on all sports?

I cut the extra pound just to prove how tough I was. Lol You are correct. It was 158

HS - 114, 128, 140, 147 College 157, 167, 167, 157. Cut was brutal to 157 senior year in college. I was doing good until the cutting wore me out and had a catastrophic conference tournament. I went to 200 lbs by the summertime, more muscle than fat as I stopped running focused on lifting. 35 years later still 205ish, not as much muscle though

Andy McNerny from Harvard. He had just come off a 4th place NCAA finish. I was a senior in HS and in my first senior tournament. I had just wrestled a Syracuse starter and lost but a lgot a TD or maybe even two and was feeling pretty good until McNerny demonstrated next level wrestling. He was incredibly fast and slick. I remember as I was being taken down trying to figure out what he just did with his setups and misdirections

Wow, one pin between Henson, Fired and Mac, so much for wrestling back in the day being more exciting because everyone was always going for the pin!

I agree that IOC would love to dump a combat sport and will not be Judo which is hugely popular in Western Europe, which is what truly matters for a sports inclusion in the Olympics. Greco needs major reform. I don't believe that any one can to look at high level Greco now and see that that it is a good product for the athlete or spectators. If greco does not make big changes it will become obsolete. I like the concept of dirty greco. It keeps the heart off the sport and expands it and should have a more scoring. Gold medals won in 1-1 criteria are not good for anyone. Even a match that is decided by a single gut wrench is not what Greco should be to about. We want to see bodies flying through the air and rule changes (even radical ones) that promote that are good for the sport

A radical change to the Greco rules are needed, so if some Olympic champions may lose out of they can't adapt. Judo did a similar thing about 15 years ago when they banned leg grabs, firemans and blast doubles were go to techniques for some Judo champs and they were suddenly banned. Adding trips and sweeps to Greco is less radical because techniques are not banned but are expanded. I disagree that current Greco champs would be novices because there is no one doing this style at a high level right now. Put a Judo champ against Greco champ in a dirty Greco match and without a gi to grab the Judo guy is lost. 100% of my money is on the wrestler.

I think the I like the 3 point TD because, to me, it feels that TDs should have more value. A wrestler who gets an actual TD, should be ahead of an opponent who "just" got two escapes. I also believe that it promotes bigger comebacks. A wrestler down by 3-4 points a that start of third period has a reasonable chance of winning, if he is much better on his feet and especially if his opponent is gassing. I don't necessarily buy that it increases stalling in 3rd if the wrestler has a lead. Wrestler are always going to "protect" a lead and shut down their offense if they are ahead late in the match.

Kozlowski 2x for D2??

While we are doing Greco trivia name the only DI champ to win a world meal. And name at least two other DI champs who made US World team.

I was ready to guess NMU alum Harry Lester, but think he only had one world medal

Ghafarri?

Judo has had unlimited OT for about a decade it is not working well. In high level close matches competitors often converse energy and minimize attacks saving everything for the inevitable OT with a single score winning the match. Too often they also rely on penalties are try to game the system not to score but to try to get a penalty called on their opponent (OT only ends with three penalties which is a DQ). Too many gold medal matches were won on penalties and IMO Judo penalties are easier to call and usually more obvious if when person deserves a penalty. We have all seen in Geco when there is no scoring and both wrestlers equally deserve a stall call the ref randomly picks one. It is so hard to score in high level Greco. I imagine a large percentage of OT matches would be decided by penalties which would be terrible. Unlimited OT is not the answer. Not that I have a good answer as the real problem is the number of 1-1 matches that both scores are penalties. Deciding which wrestler go the first penalty and which one deserves to win because of that is not a real solution. My solution is to add foot sweeps and trips with no leg grabbing, while we are at it add arm bar submissions as well. We have seen for too many years how hard it is good score in Greco and the result has been a really terrible sport.

I assuming that you mean Dan Gable. He wasn't making the final for a world/Olympic world as a HSer

Thread isn't about who would have had the best career, but who would have received the most NIL. Pico is a good answer, some of the most impressive results ever for a HSer

Great trivia questions! Finding "full-grown" adult men in the US who could make 105 led to interesting results. I have to think if it was still a international weight class with the current level of High Schoolers we would be seeing HS freshman competing for world teams

Gotta be a 105 lb guy. Eiter?

The politics of the IOC wanting to drop wrestling has every little to do with its worldwide popularity. It is not popular in Western Europe which dominates the IOC. And that decision was hugely unpopular. For years after people who weren't sports fan and knew nothing about wrestling other than that I used to wrestle would mention what a terrible decision that was.

10+years ago when MMA was really starting to grow lots of wrestling fans (including myself) thought that this would be great for wrestling and it really has not happened. Kids interested in MMA now will either get involved in BJJ or just train pure MMA which is an option now. Getting wrestling closely associated with MMA is a doubled edged sword. It may attract more of the aggressive kids who need an outlet but turn off the less confident, hard working type, especially if they don't come from a wrestling family. For parents who don't know much about wrestling being close tied to MMA is not going to help encourage them to encourage their kids to wrestle. IMO, most non wrestling families that are not in the few wrestling hot spots in the US fanow very little about the sport, but there is general feeling that it is required discipline hard work and technique and can accomodate athletes of any size MMA is almost like the WWF back in my day. Very popular and had many ex-wreslters and attracted kids to "real" wrestling but questionable if it was good for the sport overall

I get them too. Terrible click bait. Great headlines, then an articles with terrible writing (I assume usually AI generated) with tons of ads and you have to scroll and scroll to get to part of the article you are actually want to read I assume they are algorithmically driven based on your browser history as I also get articles based on the others things I look at on the web( biking, hiking, NFL) Lots of top ten lists as well. I am like Charlie Brown with the football with this. I know shouldn't do it, but can't help myself, maybe this time it will be different.

Agreed. Making wrestling a feeder system to MMA is not a good idea. Most MMA fans wants the excitement/violence of punches and kicks and KOs. They do not appreciate a well executed double leg. If they appreciate grappling at all is is likely they like or practice BJJ and the things we like about mat wrestling (back points and pins) do not make sense to a BJJ fans