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When were the "non-pigtail" years? There have been championship pigtails in the 32-man bracket structure for every tourney since 1967. The only difference today is the existing process defines a single pigtail for each 33-man bracket, as opposed to the era when qualifying tourneys selected their own national qualifiers allocated by the 5-year R12 calculation and the (back-room) "wildcard" process.

Miklus only had 27 bouts. Never had a pigtail. 2015: 7 bouts to earn 7th (lost R2) 2016: 6 bouts to earn 6th (lost in SF) 2018: 6 bouts to earn 8th (lost QF) 2019: 8 bouts to earn 6th (lost R2) A finalist at NCAA will have five bouts. Non-finalist All-Americans pickup extra bouts by: Having a pigtail (+1) Losing in the first two rounds of the tourney and make the blood round (+1) Win the blood round bout (+1) Wrestling the consolation semi-final (+1) To have eight bouts in an NCAA tourney you need to make the consolation semi-final after: losing a 1st or 2nd round bout, or having a pigtail and losing in the QF It's only possible to have nine bouts if place top 6, and have a pigtail AND lose in either the 1st or 2nd round. The extra year for COVID makes it necessary to normalize by the number of tourneys. Only guys with 4-for-4 or 5-for-5 should be eligible. Adjusting Miklus' count and normalizing gives us the following for the list provided:

They only adjusted it by two days, changing the end date from a Friday to a Sunday. They obviously caught the error in the Pre-Championships Guide and corrected it in the 2-Jan update to the Qualifier Allocation Criteria. As for NCAA being "later this year", I believe the championships typically begin on the 3rd Thursday of March.

For the state tourney in PA, it's a combination of Win Pct and Prestige Points. I believe the process can vary across the various district tournaments. I know the area where I grew up, PA District IV, uses Win Pct, subtracting 8pts for each match short of 10 bouts. i.e., an 8-0 record would be scored as 100-2*8 = 84. When I wrestled in the 1980s, the seeding formula favored guys who wrestled more bouts. We were given 5pts for a win, and had 3pts subtracted for each loss, with prestige points being added afterward. Not sure if any PA districts still use this type of scoring process.

For those who are interested, here is the site from where I am pulling all of this NCAA information: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2013/10/23/division-i-wrestling.aspx * the 'Selection Process' file I shared earlier was from 2019. The link for the 2023-24 version is below. Contents are as follows: Championship Information 2023-24 Coach and Administrator Meeting Slides 2023-24 NCAA Division I Wrestling Coaches Ranking Roster 2023-24 Season Information Memo 2023-24 Qualifier Allocation Criteria 2023-24 Team Registration Link 2023-24 Championship Webinar Manuals 2023-24 Pre-championships Manual 2023-24 Host Operations Manual 2022-23 Participant Manual Links and Resources NCAA Wrestling Registered Officials Skin evaluation and participation status form Dual Championship Scoring Model Team Component Presentation Division I Men's Wrestling Selection Process Center Mat National Wrestling Coaches Association Wrestling Rules of the Game

It appears that the "magic date" has shifted since the Pre-Championships Manual was published in September. According the an update published on 2-Jan, all matches through 25-Feb count toward conference allocations. See page 2 of the linked file: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2023-24D1MWR_QualifierAllocationCriteria.pdf

More good stuff. This explains seeding... https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/D1MWR_SelectionsProcess.pdf

Page 13... https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2023-24D1MWR_PreChampsManual.pdf

Fifteen required for an RPI (must be against D1 competition). Coaches' Rank and Win Pct will earn an allocation for the B1G, but the lack of an RPI will negatively impact someone when applying the formula for seeding criteria. Example being Brooks as a #3 last year.

I only went back to edit my post because my search resulted in this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cadet,_Junior,_and_Espoir_World_Champions_in_men's_freestyle_wrestling

EDIT: I originally quoted Haselrig's wiki page without checking. Not sure if the following is accurate, "Haselrig was the 1985 Junior Greco-Roman World Champion, and the 1986 Junior Freestyle World Champion, while competing for the United States in the heavyweight division."

I like the result. Can you explain your methodology? EDIT: Looked above and saw your explanation. Net team points generated v the field. Interesting way to look at it.

Can’t wait to see how 125 shakes out when we conduct the draft for this year’s NCAA fantasy competition. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

It lasted less than 3min but qualifies as an Instant Classic… Ryan Lang WBF Darrion Caldwell - NCAA QF Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Trenge 4x, if you include his Frosh season, when he had a late-season detached retina. Trenge beat the eventual NCAA 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th place winners during the season. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Building on the Lehigh theme: Troy Letters over Tyrone Lewis - NCAA Semi-Final Troy Letters over Tyrone Lewis - NCAA Final Darian Cruz over Thomas Gilman - NCAA Semi- Final Darian Cruz over Ethan Lizak- NCAA Final Rob Rohan over Josh Lambrecht - NCAA Final (already listed) Other Non-Lehigh bouts: Zeke Moisey over Thomas Gilman - NCAA Semi-Final Jason Nolf WBF IMar - dual at Illinois (I believe this was IMar’s first loss) Three-Bout Parlay from DeSanto’s Frosh season: Austin DeSanto over Stevan Micic - CKLV Stevan Micic over Austin DeSanto - NCAA Quarter-Final Scott Delveccio over Austin DeSanto - NCAA R12 * ADS led 6-2 with 0:50 to go & is on bottom * ADS turtles on bottom, giving up three one-point stalling calls * ADS didn’t realize Delveccio was on his way to earning1:01 of RT * ADS Loses in SV Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Vincenzo (Frosh) over IMar (JR) NCAA final I have others, but I didn’t see this on the OP. Troy Letters over Tyrone Lewis - NCAA Semi-Final Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Both have already ducked Crookham. Fix in December, Vito this past weekend. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think the question had more to do with having two Cornell guys on the list.

Where's Stanich?

Herceg is the man of the day! Bumps from 165 to 174 and gets the win. Foca helped at 184 by blowing the MAJ. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Had Enough Wrestling. Indications of burnout and/or no longer caring about collegiate success.

Yes.

Agree. I also thought they gave him a pass on the backing out of bounds in SV. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk