BruceyB

Couldn't compete with you, Adonis.

A guy who weighs 285 but gets on a diet plan to make 265 isn't "cutting weight." He is following a dietary plan that makes him healthier. There are very very few individuals in the history of the human race that weigh more than 285 and wouldn't be healthier losing 20 pounds. Again, cutting weight and losing weight are not equal. I'm sure Cohlton Schultz' doctor would suggest that he lose weight for the sake of health.. even if it makes it harder to drive guys OB with an underhook. No offense Schultz.

Sounds like Dresser told him to stay hungry.

Are you disagreeing with my post or agreeing?

As someone that typically is on your side, what is the dispute here? Everyone makes dietary restrictions in wrestling other than 99% of 285s. Is it so wrong to say that if you want to compete that you can't weigh over 265? Name one wrestler in the history of 285 that couldn't make 265 following a diet plan. Out of every class of NCAA wrestlers, less than 1% ever make a world team.. But we should change the weights of college to align with the <1%? Off the top of my head, the only two wrestlers to make a world team while still eligible for NCAA wrestling in the last 15 years were Snyder and Fix. The college athletes that rep the US in freestyle wrestling is probably less than 1 in 1000 based on statistics. @Husker_Du already established this point. But sure, the weight classes are the problem.

I think it was Ben Askren that proposed the idea of essentially two seasons; a dual season and a tourney season. Make the first half of the season dual centric.. teams compete to qualify for entry to a dual tournament, and then we watch the top teams face off for a dual title. And then, an individual based tourney schedule where athletes can jockey for seeding post the dual tournament. It doesn't really matter than UNI beats Nebraska in a dual in the first week of January if the place lower at nationals. Without an emphasis on regular season dual results, there is just no real incentive to win a dual if it could potentially cost you a seed or performance come March. Obviously easier said than done.

I'm not going to take the time to look it up, but I think that was Bo's last year on the freestyle circuit and he eventually faced Taylor and lost to be the rep that year. I wouldn't be surprised if those were the only two meetings as Zahid was smaller than Bo for most of their careers.

I remember vividly going to the kitchen and wanting to "wet my mouth" by taking one swig out of the bottle of orange juice only to have my body instinctively steal five or six large gulps.

I imagine 12 wasn't too horrible, but 20 would be a pull. As a tweener, do you think that adjusting the weights to 175, 190, 210, and 285 would solve the problem? Or would it just create different issues? Also, I tossed out the idea and would enjoy your feedback, how do you feel about 285 being brought down to 265 to lower the weight discrepancy?

You're misunderstanding me. My point was that the roster cap won't do much if anything for the competitive balance in wrestling, other than maybe Long Island U gets a commit that would have otherwise been a 4th string walk-on at PSU. That walk-on might be a starter at LIU, which is good for their program, but it doesn't change the competitive balance. Also, I said the blue-chippers at PSU aren't taking out student loans. I obviously don't think everyone on their roster is getting tuition covered. Anyone who isn't in the top 30 at a given school isn't going to hurt the program by not being there, but there may be some guys outside of the top 30 at the power schools that could be a benefit to a small program.

I was being genuine. Once you were making 197 how high would your weight get to after eating/hydrating? I'm curious because without a doubt the initial descent to 197 would be a lot of work and difficult, but once you made the weight, how much were you consistently cutting from that point?

I don't mean this disingenuously, but what puts Schwab above many other coaches in your minds? Outside the recency of the big win over Nebraska, UNI has been able to cultivate some studs over the years (primarily at 184, shoutout Lee Roper), but they haven't really shown the ability put together a solid 125-285 lineup (before now). I do think UNI deserves extra credit for their success despite most kids opting to Iowa or ISU over UNI. I'm not disagreeing, just curious to why many of you would say Schwab is #1. FWIW, I think Kish deserves to be mentioned. The growth that NDSU had during his time their was pretty remarkable. I would love it if he could restore OU like Dresser has done with ISU. The sport is better when OU is relevant.

To my knowledge, a wrestler cannot be called for stalling for driving their opponent out of bounds in the neutral position. I honestly can't understand, nor have I ever seen, a stall call given in this scenario. I can see where the referee would be annoyed that Taylor is clearly looking for the stall call, but regardless, I don't see how in anyway he could be considered stalling in this scenario. Coaches constantly call out "shoot him out" when guys are near the edge. If driving an opponent out of bounds is stalling, then the "shoot him out" scenarios should be called stalling on the attacking wrestler, not the guy driven out of bounds. Edit: I don't think either wrestler should have been hit for stalling.

I've held off, but I'll jump in now. I would just like to clarify that my list is my favorite wrestlers to watch, and certainly not the 15 best wrestlers of all time. For that purpose, I'm going to eliminate anyone prior to 2000, because the amount of matches available are just too limited. I would say pure wrestling-wise, John Smith is my favorite of all-time, but there aren't enough matches, especially in college, to make the list. In no particular order: Keegan O'Toole - his cerebral style and ability to win scrambles is unbelievable. David Taylor - he just went out and drilled on nearly everyone leading to effortless looking techs Joey Dance - his slickness, ankle rolling tic, superducks, etc. Vito Arujau - junior year's semi/final matches are two of the most impressive matches I can recall where he thumped two absolute monsters) Alan Waters - I have no idea why, but I loved watching him wrestle. His stinginess on top and low singles always appealed to me Nahshon Garrett - He was so crisp and explosive. I remember being so frustrated when he lost to Delgado. He blasted so hard through him that it actually led to Delgado being able to use the momentum to roll through with an ankle multiple times Ben Askren - watching him methodically outscramble opponents when he was in an inferior position still blows my mind today, plus he just decked most of his lesser opponents Logan Steiber - so good on his feet, and just an utter monster on top. I feel like with all of the PSU hammers that have come along, people forget how truly rare it was during the time to have people separate themselves from the field like Steiber, Ruth, DT, and Metcalf were. Jordan Oliver - very few guys have had such a varied arsenal of offensive attacks in neutral, and he would cradle you up as well Alex Dieringer - near-arm far leg was unstoppable Kade Brock - slick as slick may come. boot scoots, ducks, inside trips, just a highlight reel type of guy Reece Humphrey - nasty ducks, and freakishly athletic. I'll never forget his toss against Lou Ruggirello (below is the link.. skip to 8:10 for the highlight) https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5121890-2-reece-humphrey-osu-vs-9-lou-ruggirello-hofstra Spencer Lee - his dominance over the field will never cease to blow my mind. 125 has historically been a very difficult weight dominate, and that is what he did Wyatt Hendrickson - just a highflyer, never a boring match with Wyatt on the mat Brent Metcalf - watching him break guys through forward pressure and relentless attacks was incredible. he could be up 4-2 going into the third and would melt a guy and end up teching him Honorable Mention: Mitchell Mesenbrink Coleman Scott Dylan Ness Michael Mangrum (as a PNW guy, we have few guys that are exciting at the D1 level) Hunter Steiber Just a disclaimer: Yes, DT is the only PSU wrestler on this list. He was the phenom from high school that went on to absolutely dominate in college sans freshman finals and Kyle Dake. The countless other dominant studs from PSU weren't my favorite to watch, because quite frankly, it was just PSU fatigue. It has nothing to do with their accomplishments or hierarchy of greatness. Watching yet another PSU wrestler dominate the field just wasn't my favorite to watch, regardless of how impressive they might be.

Currently, yes. But with a hard roster cap of 30, the sport won't be nearly as "walk-on" friendly. Wrestling has always been a non-cut sport because there is no harm in having more guys in the room. But just like other sports where you can only have so many "bench" players, the top programs will have to reserve the 30 spots for just the 30 best wrestlers they can have in the room. I'm curious if some programs will have wrestle-offs in the beginning of the year between non-scholarship athletes to see who makes the team.